gyrofry posted:I know a little bit - I have a cousin who transitioned MTF as an adult (over 30).
I think it's a non-sequitur to suggest that weirdos are primarily rationally-motivated
it's not about "rationality". it's that if this were a fashion statement, or a fetish like being a furry, i'm really skeptical that someone would take hormones for years upon years, go through painful operations, complete rigorous voice training and deal with all the social stigma and ostracism that goes with being transgender. and if they did, they're as "legitimately" trans as anyone else as far as i'm concerned, partially because i think the biological essentialism that underlies that supposed legitimacy is rather dubious.
daddyholes posted:being anti-trans is a good way to end up wondering why people avoid you
saying that you know you're a woman because you wanted to play with girl's toys or that brain sex is real is a good way to end up wondering why people avoid you too.
daddyholes posted:babyfinland posted:sick people should probably get treated for their root problems rather than placing false hopes on sex changes since a lot of those people remain sick and end up killing themselves
that isnt how comorbidity works
im not a crazy person so i dont know about doctor stuff, please excuse
SariBari posted:daddyholes posted:being anti-trans is a good way to end up wondering why people avoid you
saying that you know you're a woman because you wanted to play with girl's toys or that brain sex is real is a good way to end up wondering why people avoid you too.
agreed
babyfinland posted:daddyholes posted:babyfinland posted:sick people should probably get treated for their root problems rather than placing false hopes on sex changes since a lot of those people remain sick and end up killing themselves
that isnt how comorbidity works
im not a crazy person so i dont know about doctor stuff, please excuse
if you never want to learn about comorbidity i hope you plan on committing suicide soon for your sake
cars posted:babyfinland posted:cars posted:babyfinland posted:sick people should probably get treated for their root problems rather than placing false hopes on sex changes since a lot of those people remain sick and end up killing themselves
that isnt how comorbidity works
im not a crazy person so i dont know about doctor stuff, please excuse
if you never want to learn about comorbidity i hope you plan on committing suicide soon for your sake
Lessons posted:it's not about "rationality". it's that if this were a fashion statement, or a fetish like being a furry, i'm really skeptical that someone would take hormones for years upon years, go through painful operations, complete rigorous voice training and deal with all the social stigma and ostracism that goes with being transgender. and if they did, they're as "legitimately" trans as anyone else as far as i'm concerned,
What is the difference between this and, say, indulging a heroin addict's drug-seeking behavior, e.g. seeking elective surgery as a way to get the next sweet, sweet fentanyl fix?
Lessons posted:i have to admit it's pretty cool that goatstein is actively demonstrating itt that he's more judgmental, bigoted and regressive than the members of the military he loathes more than anyone else
i'm sure people who were opposed to lobotomies in the 50s were considered judgmental and regressive too
babyfinland posted:cars posted:babyfinland posted:cars posted:babyfinland posted:sick people should probably get treated for their root problems rather than placing false hopes on sex changes since a lot of those people remain sick and end up killing themselves
that isnt how comorbidity works
im not a crazy person so i dont know about doctor stuff, please excuse
if you never want to learn about comorbidity i hope you plan on committing suicide soon for your sake
then expect to learn allllll about it
roseweird posted:so how exactly do you propose treating such people, prescribe a gym membership and several minutes of screaming "FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT"?
medication and therapy, same with any other serious mental illness.
Goethestein posted:roseweird posted:so how exactly do you propose treating such people, prescribe a gym membership and several minutes of screaming "FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT"?
medication and therapy, same with any other serious mental illness.
wow, everyone agrees close thread
Lessons posted:gyrofry posted:do you really think its unimportant to understand the physical and/or social basis for a phenomenon with such negative ramifications
i would say it's really useless to try and root out "fakers" for no particular reason. do you know anything about the process of transition? it's extremely difficult, especially for adults, not to mention expensive. how many people do you really think are going through all that because they're "weirdos"?
a cure-all for all emotional problems and the rebirth as a new person? yeah i think many people would find that appealing even at the cost of money or social connections, cf. scientology, all evangelicals
Goethestein posted:Lessons posted:gyrofry posted:do you really think its unimportant to understand the physical and/or social basis for a phenomenon with such negative ramifications
i would say it's really useless to try and root out "fakers" for no particular reason. do you know anything about the process of transition? it's extremely difficult, especially for adults, not to mention expensive. how many people do you really think are going through all that because they're "weirdos"?
a cure-all for all emotional problems and the rebirth as a new person? yeah i think many people would find that appealing even at the cost of money or social connections, cf. scientology, all evangelicals
so you're for lobotomies?
wasted posted:the rock is probably one of the most charismatic people on the planet
that movie is so good
- j. sakai
Goethestein posted:appealing even at the cost of money or social connections, cf. scientology, all evangelicals
those are reasons that people become scientologists and evangelicals
Goethestein posted:tom im pretty sure he means dwayne "the rock" johnson
he starred in southland tales, which is what the clip i posted is from
discipline posted:actually the solution is to smash capitalism and capitalist gender roles thanks for coming down everyone, have a good night
can we do it like at a jewish wedding with the tablecloth and stuff thats a pretty cool thing they do
gyrofry posted:What is the difference between this and, say, indulging a heroin addict's drug-seeking behavior, e.g. seeking elective surgery as a way to get the next sweet, sweet fentanyl fix?
how do we know they're really a heroin addict though and not just exactly mimicking the behavior of a heroin addict for attention?
Lessons posted:gyrofry posted:What is the difference between this and, say, indulging a heroin addict's drug-seeking behavior, e.g. seeking elective surgery as a way to get the next sweet, sweet fentanyl fix?
how do we know they're really a heroin addict though and not just exactly mimicking the behavior of a heroin addict for attention?
your parsing of the analogy is off. the point is to carefully distinguish between those whose illness actually will benefit from a type of treatment and those who necessitate a different type of treatment.