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Superabound posted:

Cat-calling is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. These men (most of them immigrants from less technocratic, and much more communal, face-to-face interaction based cultures) are simply reacting against the alienating forces of Western Capitalism's increasingly depersonalized and autistically solipsistic virtual society.

Yum Yum, Welcome to the Dessert of the Real



ya agreed. the heart ofa heartless world and soul of a soul lless conditions.

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commodiusvicus posted:

hey baby, you want some of this multiculturalism! come get it while it's hot!! you know you want a taste of this relativistic hogwash!!!



DAMN YOU MULTICULTURALISM

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i dont know, i dont know what any of these things mean when theyre decried. as far as i know what multiculturalism really is is these furners who live in our midst (ie its humanity lol)
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bbbuubbut identity politics is bad!!

marxists' mistrust of multiculturalism is bizzarre, liberals get it wrong but come on
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ChairmanMao posted:

bbbuubbut identity politics is bad!!

marxists' mistrust of multiculturalism is bizzarre, liberals get it wrong but come on



i really dont think its a general thing, though its spread over the past few years

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roseweird posted:

i don't know what "identity politics" means unless it means we are making fun of tumblr



you hear a lot of criticism of it especially re: postmodernism and the fracturing of the left

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it was everyone's new favorite thing to write and talk about for a few months recently but in my experience it's usually a scapegoat for some white male leftists to shit on/ignore/cover their ignorance of feminism or black radical history.
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SariBari posted:

it was everyone's new favorite thing to write and talk about for a few months recently but in my experience it's usually a scapegoat for some white male leftists to shit on/ignore/cover their ignorance of feminism or black radical history.



p much

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SariBari posted:

it was everyone's new favorite thing to write and talk about for a few months recently but in my experience it's usually a scapegoat for some white male leftists to shit on/ignore/cover their ignorance of feminism or black radical history.



zizeks been hammering on it for Years

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slurp slurp liberal multiculturalism? i cthhooze third option: *gestures frantically* *vomits* *cums*
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another psa about the dangers of slovenian slobknobbery
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i will not end until he's dead and no one reads him
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i read basically his entire bibliography while i was in peace corps and quickly came to the conclusion that he is unbelievably full of shit; also lacan can bite a dick
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zizek's lacan is different from everyone else's lacan, and that is true of everything he references. he lives in an alternative universe. ive read very useful treatments of lacan (jacques lezra) and even zizek + lacan (adrian johnston).
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yeah i actually dont know much lacan, zizek just ruined him for me and i just knee-jerk dislike anythign to do with him
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i should check those things out though, do you have links
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ChairmanMao posted:

i should check those things out though, do you have links



youre not smart enough to read them

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babyfinland posted:

ChairmanMao posted:
i should check those things out though, do you have links


youre not smart enough to read them



i wanna get smarter tho, don't be a poo poo head

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ChairmanMao posted:

babyfinland posted:

ChairmanMao posted:
i should check those things out though, do you have links


youre not smart enough to read them

i wanna get smarter tho, don't be a poo poo head



Gee HEe Heee

zizek's ontology by johnston, unspeakable subjects by lerza. i'd like to have read wild materialism by lerza but it was checkd out at the library so i had to get that one instead. good luck with that shit

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Multiculturalism is at odds with historical materialism, divides the working-class, and empowers reactionary 'community leaders'. This applies equally to supposed white working-class cultures, or LGBT culture, as it does to non-white groups.
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swirlsofhistory posted:

Multiculturalism is at odds with historical materialism, divides the working-class, and empowers reactionary 'community leaders'. This applies equally to supposed white working-class cultures, or LGBT culture, as it does to non-white groups.



you sound like you got some killer pussy eating tips

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Rude
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swirlsofhistory posted:

empowers reactionary 'community leaders'



this is the one i actually do find concerning

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yeah, i think that's a result of state policy more than anything though. people just aren't fucking clear what they mean....
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jools posted:

yeah, i think that's a result of state policy more than anything though. people just aren't fucking clear what they mean....


It's ideology and policy; usually originating outside the designated culture or community, since it's hard to justify being authentic to one's own culture while also believing that other cultures are uniquely valuable and deserve protection.

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what is "cultural protection"
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jools posted:

what is "cultural protection"


There's an ideological attitude that the best way to help marginalized people is to not only understand and preserve cultural knowledge in danger of being lost, but to actually affirm and defend a group's beliefs or practices (in a quite cynical way), to basically be advocates for a culture, regardless of the truth or felicity of those beliefs or practices. Push for culturally centered schools, community unique programs. Defend cultural values from ethnocentric attacks by snarky skeptics, all without any irony, of course.

roseweird posted:

no it isn't, unless you think total domination is a primary value of every culture


It doesn't have to be total domination. If you hold that preserving the authenticity of your own culture is good in and of itself, then you basically think it can't be improved by interchange with other cultures. That is at odds with acknowledging valuable practices from other cultures, and thus adopting them, as it would imply your own culture is deficient in some way.

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roseweird posted:

i don't know what "identity politics" means unless it means we are making fun of tumblr



basically it means first worlders more interested in their identity as a gay, woman, fat, or dragon than they are in class consciousness

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i think its more like a practical reconciliation of class consciousness with liberal consumerism, forming an ideology for people for whom those two practices are not optional
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roseweird posted:

i don't know what "identity politics" means unless it means we are making fun of tumblr



'American Dialectics'

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good to see you Mr Finland
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thing is is that it is absurd on its face to say that identity politics can ever be done away with, because woah holy crap people kinda care a lot about their cultural/social identity!!
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ChairmanMao posted:

thing is is that it is absurd on its face to say that identity politics can ever be done away with, because woah holy crap people kinda care a lot about their cultural/social identity!!



of course it can be, by stalinism

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mm yes LF lets have a discussion of the best way to stamp out the counterrevolutionary false ideology of 'gay pride'
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gay pride is counterrevolutionary. its a movement of usually white middle-class or better first worlders whose primary complaints are inequal access to tax, healthcare and expatriate benefits, and on restrictions on personal behavior while serving imperialism. the woman before the supreme court arguing against DOMA is doing so because the government hit her partner's estate with $250,000+ in taxes. the movement criticizes nothing about class or capitalism, which is partially why in the last 20 years it has been always so well-funded, so easily absorbed into entertainment products, so rapidly successful, and never lacking for open spokesmen in the mass media. finally, its stated goals are implicit support of some of the most regressive and wasteful institutions in america: the military, marriage, and fashion.