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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

The world's first gun made with 3D printer technology has been successfully fired in the US.

The controversial group which created the firearm, Defense Distributed, plans to make the blueprints available online.

The group has spent a year trying to create the firearm, which was successfully tested on Saturday at a firing range south of Austin, Texas.

Anti-gun campaigners have criticised the project.

Europe's law enforcement agency said it was monitoring developments.

Victoria Baines, from Europol's cybercrime centre, said that at present criminals were more likely to pursue traditional routes to obtain firearms.

She added, however: "But as time goes on and as this technology becomes more user friendly and more cost effective, it is possible that some of these risks will emerge."

Defense Distributed is headed by Cody Wilson, a 25-year-old law student at the University of Texas.

Mr Wilson said: "I think a lot of people weren't expecting that this could be done."


The gun was assembled from separate printed components made from ABS plastic - only the firing pin was made from metal
3D printing has been hailed as the future of manufacturing.

The technology works by building up layer upon layer of material - typically plastic - to build complex solid objects.

The idea is that as the printers become cheaper, instead of buying goods from shops, consumers will instead be able to download designs and print out the items at home.

But as with all new technologies, there are risks as well as benefits.

Personal liberties
The gun was made on a 3D printer that cost $8,000 (£5,140) from the online auction site eBay.

It was assembled from separate printed components made from ABS plastic - only the firing pin was made from metal.

Mr Wilson, who describes himself as a crypto-anarchist, said his plans to make the design available were "about liberty".

He told the BBC: "There is a demand of guns - there just is. There are states all over the world that say you can't own firearms - and that's not true anymore.

"I'm seeing a world where technology says you can pretty much be able to have whatever you want. It's not up to the political players any more."

Asked if he felt any sense of responsibility about whose hands the gun might fall into, he told the BBC: "I recognise the tool might be used to harm other people - that's what the tool is - it's a gun.

"But I don't think that's a reason to not do it - or a reason not to put it out there."

Gun control
To make the gun, Mr Wilson received a manufacturing and seller's licence from the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

Donna Sellers, from the ATF, told BBC News that the 3D-printed gun, as long as it was not a National Firearms Act weapon (an automatic gun, for example), was legal in the US.

She said: " a person can manufacture a firearm for their own use. However, if they engage in the business of manufacture to sell a gun, they need a licence."

Amid America's ongoing gun debate in the wake of the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, US congressman Steve Israel recently called for a ban on 3D guns under the Undetectable Firearms Act.

Groups looking to tighten US gun laws have also expressed concern.

Leah Gunn Barrett, from New Yorkers Against Gun Violence, has said: "These guns could fall into the hands of people who should not have guns - criminals, people who are seriously mentally ill, people who are convicted of domestic violence, even children."

3D printing technology has already been used by some criminal organisations to create card readers - "skimmers" - that are inserted into bank machines.

Many law enforcement agencies around the world now have people dedicated to monitoring cybercrime and emerging technologies such as 3D printers.

Ms Baines from Europol said: "What we know is that technology proceeds much more quickly than we expect it to. So by getting one step ahead of the technological developments, we hope and believe we will be able to get one step ahead of the criminals as well."



Incredible qq-ing from nanny-state science fanboys in the comments about how the guy SHOULD have built water pumps for Africa instead of Machines that Can Kill People!!

you want science? technology? 'innovation'? this was what you get, a gun in every home, beautiful

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK6-kbdHE2A

lmao

people keep trying to pass this off as evidence that the 3d gun guy is really intelligent and stuff but it's like the worst example of a vacuous name drop ever "am i an anarchist? well theres this guy michel foucault you should read him sometime. anyway"
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a 3d printed gun with a metal firing pin is still useless
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I don’t give a shit how good he is with namedropping irrelevant old Frogs, he invented a plastic 3D printer gun and I’m impressed
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Goethestein posted:

a 3d printed gun with a metal firing pin is still useless



much like your posting

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do these things fire plastic bullets with plastic gunpowder as well
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that gun needs to get a new job
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congrats! now kill yourself with it
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it'd probably be easier to 3d print a rope
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Lysenko posted:

congrats! now kill yourself with it



we will, this is my point...hopefully this wakes up science fanboys to the obvious fact that technology is encoded with destruction and every new scientific advancement brings us and the planet closer to oblivion.

the original sin wasn't eve eating an apple, it was the time some random hominid first shaped a tool.

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3d printing is the most overhyped technology i can remember. i saw one at PAX about a month ago and i was like, hey, cool, that's kind of neat, and then happened to come by again four hours later and saw that in the interim it had laid down about another two millimeters of material.

a decent 3d printer will run you at least $1500, and the filament is $30 a roll. nerds will protest that it will get faster and cheaper, and it probably will, but home printers have been publicly available for over 30 years and are still buggy, expensive pieces of shit.

printers are at least useful, though. they filled a demand. printing large documents was faster and easier than manually copying with a typewriter. big commercial printers had existed for several decades prior in every major corporate and government office in the world, proving the demand.

look around your house right now for anything you could feasibly print with 3d printer technology. almost everything imaginable is either too big, too complex, or made of the wrong materials. anything else is more cheaply and quickly acquired elsewhere and there's probably no getting around that fact no matter how good 3d printers get, just because of economies of scale. so, yeah, i could make ten plastic forks in a few days by buying a $2,000 machine and using up $15 worth of filament, or i could just buy 1,000 plastic forks for $25 online.

art and custom decorations? well, maybe, as long as you're happy keeping your art made out of one material and no bigger than a beer can. or you could use clay, which is easier than 3D design to learn to a level of reasonable competence.


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roseweird posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Lysenko posted:

congrats! now kill yourself with it



we will, this is my point...hopefully this wakes up science fanboys to the obvious fact that technology is encoded with destruction and every new scientific advancement brings us and the planet closer to oblivion.

the original sin wasn't eve eating an apple, it was the time some random hominid first shaped a tool.



or was it possibly the first time one complex-protein-containing lipid-barrier engulfed another and its complex proteins broke down and assimilated the other? destruction is encoded in life and existence—displacing the blame onto this or that aspect of human life won't help. your original sin analogy is apt—arbitrary and mythological. technology is problematic, but also inevitable and interesting, worth taking a hand in shaping and getting excited about



i can't get exited about the ongoing destruction of the incredible biodiversity on this planet, which is what every single technological development takes us towards

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roseweird posted:

rapidly establishing self-sufficient communities



aaaaaaaaaaaohahahahahahahaha

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roseweird posted:

they are being overhyped as a potential revolutionary consumer good, but i do think they will realistically allow for easier establishment of small-scale or mobile manufacturing, relaxing requirements in expertise, physical space, and capital. this is interesting from the point of view of rapidly establishing self-sufficient communities, especially since printers can create wide varieties of medicine and tools with relatively little infrastructure. not revolutionary, but an interesting development


they exclusively make cheap plastic crap that's rarely useful and usually more expensive to make than stuff you buy at retail. i can see it being potentially useful for art but most of the appeal is for nerds who want to make things without having to learn how to "use" "tools".

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sorry but i just find that kind of techno-utopianism quite cute

i might be more willing to believe it if there had EVER in 10,000 years been an invention or technological advancement that didn't edge us and the planet's biodiversity closer to irreversible destruction.
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you can't make medicine with a 3d printer, unless your medicine is made out of plastic
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well, molecular printers aren't real so there's that
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roseweird posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
sorry but i just find that kind of techno-utopianism quite cute

i might be more willing to believe it if there had EVER in 10,000 years been an invention or technological advancement that didn't edge us and the planet's biodiversity closer to irreversible destruction.


well, sorry, but i find this sort of apocalyptic environmentalism cute too. the destruction of the natural order is tragic, but i suspect that the technological advancement that ceases the destruction of planetary biodiversity will be the technological advance that begins creating entirely new life forms and populating the earth with them, for better or worse

i don't think the future will be utopian, but i think it will be fantastic, which tends to sound utopian



well as long as you suspect something completely implausible that goes against millennia of history

i simply, cannot understand how anybody in this day and age can honestly 'assume' or 'suspect' that we will have technology that stops destroying things and fixes it. It's like a crack addict constantly convincing themselves that the next hit of crack will be the one that makes their life turn around....unbelievable

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roseweird posted:

littlegreenpills posted:

well, molecular printers aren't real so there's that

i'm just regurgitating tech buzzwords i read a year ago and forgot to check whether they existed or not so yes correct but maybe i'll start a science fiction novel called star truck



check your whether or not something exists privilege

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roseweird posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
roseweird posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
sorry but i just find that kind of techno-utopianism quite cute

i might be more willing to believe it if there had EVER in 10,000 years been an invention or technological advancement that didn't edge us and the planet's biodiversity closer to irreversible destruction.


well, sorry, but i find this sort of apocalyptic environmentalism cute too. the destruction of the natural order is tragic, but i suspect that the technological advancement that ceases the destruction of planetary biodiversity will be the technological advance that begins creating entirely new life forms and populating the earth with them, for better or worse

i don't think the future will be utopian, but i think it will be fantastic, which tends to sound utopian



well as long as you suspect something completely implausible that goes against millennia of history

i simply, cannot understand how anybody in this day and age can honestly 'assume' or 'suspect' that we will have technology that stops destroying things and fixes it. It's like a crack addict constantly convincing themselves that the next hit of crack will be the one that makes their life turn around....unbelievable


i don't think it will fix it, i just think that eventually our response to loss of biodiversity will be artificial biodiversity, which will be a total destruction of the old natural order, but will also genuinely solve the problem of biodiversity while creating a new set of problems (the nature of which is unpredictable).



We already have artificial biodiversity and it consists of strip malls and image macros and those gay little robot dogs

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i just watched the video and the gun is a single shot .22 lmao. and they still needed a metal firing pin
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Goethestein posted:

i just watched the video and the gun is a single shot .22 lmao. and they still needed a metal firing pin



i just watched the wright brothers plane and it only flew a hundred feet and then crashlanded lmao

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call me a luddite but i suspect guns made of metal and in a factory will generally have the edge
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littlegreenpills posted:

call me a luddite but i suspect guns made of metal and in a factory will generally have the edge



actually a fully 3d printed gun (no metal components) that was comparable in function to a mass-produced weapon could be really the only exception to this rule. guns are expensive enough that printing them could become economically sensible and they would allow for people to stockpile huge supplies of firearms even if they have some mental illness or criminal record that would otherwise disallow it. and between waiting periods and licenses it might even be faster.

of course, these guns would have no legal use whatsoever

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That’s what I want

It was only after going to a Utah gun-range that I truly understood just how good it felt to have a gun in your hand , and how ludicrous it is for the government to try and prevent you from feeling that.
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roseweird posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
That’s what I want

It was only after going to a Utah gun-range that I truly understood just how good it felt to have a gun in your hand , and how ludicrous it is for the government to try and prevent you from feeling that.


i find your attitude toward technology very confusing



how so? Technology is like bullying: it can be fun and personally rewarding but it’s also inherently destructive and we need to acknowledge that and not wallow in self-deceptions about how technology can 'help the planet' or burning a little kid with a cigarette can 'make them into a man'

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Goethestein posted:

a 3d printed gun with a metal firing pin is still useless



i think it's a 22 and rimfire - doesn't need a metal pin. i bet it can be easily modded