babyhueypnewton posted:as for the content of the thread, Harvey has a very general theory of the flow of capital having potential stoppages at every point and these potentialities being the source of crisis. this makes sense with his work as a geographer since his main innovation is the "socially necessary turnover time", and I think it's unfair to criticize this as some kind of neo-keynseian copout. we may be living in a time of general crisis in the composition of organic capital, but history is not so simple and it's not helpful to just dismiss the crisis of the 70s as a retreat.
Perhaps in his earlier work (including limits to capital) he gives too much credit to the counteracting factors of the TRPF, but his later theory of multiple and independent points of crisis is important doesn't contradict the general tendency of capitalism towards a profit crisis. In fact, I think he's explicitly endorsed the TSSI approach. this is just kliman being ultra-left and hating anyone who is too new-left (this has it's polemical value but I think is misplaced on harvey, who is probably the most important marxist scientist alive at the moment).
to be clear, harvey has definitely not endorsed the TSSI, although i am unaware of him taking any position on the matter besides his acceptance of the Okishio theorem (which the TSSI refutes) in Limits.
babyfinland posted:
so good of you to deny nazi war atrocities in order to score cheap political points. Have you thought about seeing a shrink? Shrink down your fat gut? nazi Fat Boy?
Crow posted:babyfinland posted:so good of you to deny nazi war atrocities in order to score cheap political points. Have you thought about seeing a shrink? Shrink down your fat gut? nazi Fat Boy?
Lessons posted:you know, getfiscal makes a lot of good points here, but i still can't shake the feeling that getting to throw his fat ass down a well is reason enough for a violent stalinist revolution
any revolution worth having would result in giant statues of getfiscal being erected in every city across the globe
Crow posted:ikts cool because in a stupid brezhnevite country or whatever youd have getfiscals on tv all the time, waving at parades & leading brave workers to toil, setting & meeting bureaucratic quotas & deliberating minutiae in the state apparatus. But here instead we have unemployed mentally ill man making little dumb jokes and being abandoned by the state that he should be leading. Fucked in the Ay, if you think About it
napoleon was from corsica but led france
hitler was from austria but led germany
stalin was from georgia but led russia
donald was from the rhizzone but led... the world
statickinetics posted:babyhueypnewton posted:as for the content of the thread, Harvey has a very general theory of the flow of capital having potential stoppages at every point and these potentialities being the source of crisis. this makes sense with his work as a geographer since his main innovation is the "socially necessary turnover time", and I think it's unfair to criticize this as some kind of neo-keynseian copout. we may be living in a time of general crisis in the composition of organic capital, but history is not so simple and it's not helpful to just dismiss the crisis of the 70s as a retreat.
Perhaps in his earlier work (including limits to capital) he gives too much credit to the counteracting factors of the TRPF, but his later theory of multiple and independent points of crisis is important doesn't contradict the general tendency of capitalism towards a profit crisis. In fact, I think he's explicitly endorsed the TSSI approach. this is just kliman being ultra-left and hating anyone who is too new-left (this has it's polemical value but I think is misplaced on harvey, who is probably the most important marxist scientist alive at the moment).to be clear, harvey has definitely not endorsed the TSSI, although i am unaware of him taking any position on the matter besides his acceptance of the Okishio theorem (which the TSSI refutes) in Limits.
I'll take your word for it, i remember talking about the "problem" in one of the Reading Capital videos in the Q&A part which makes it impossible to find. Harvey talks about a lot of really interesting stuff in those, his last video talks a whole bunch about Saint-Simon. One of the bad things about being a famous scholar is all of your thoughts exist on paper in the public domain, regardless of whether you change your mind on them later. This includes Marx obv, whose troll articles in the Daily Tribune have been used by trots to justify imperialism under "Marxism" for decades.
babyfinland posted:do you really think katyn was perpetrated by nazis
I think it went a lil somethin like this
Crow posted:ikts cool because in a stupid brezhnevite country or whatever youd have getfiscals on tv all the time, waving at parades & leading brave workers to toil, setting & meeting bureaucratic quotas & deliberating minutiae in the state apparatus. But here instead we have unemployed mentally ill man making little dumb jokes and being abandoned by the state that he should be leading. Fucked in the Ay, if you think About it
For real the wests whole problem is that we stopped putting people like ourselves into monasteries.
getfiscal posted:i used to go to leftist events a lot but most of the people at them seemed like lunatics. my ex-housemate told me most art things are like that too i guess. like you go and someone's like yeah i want to remake the matrix. and then you laugh and they say what's funny, i think i could make a really good version of the matrix.
i sincerely think i could make a better version of The Matrix.
getfiscal posted:crossposting for goat
way to post web cartoon to score cheap political points in my noob ass
Goethestein posted:I enjoy trolling communists for two primary reasons. The first is that there is a huge percentage of humorless jags within the movement. Second, that humorlessness would be respectable from a in-the-dirt labor crusader who spends all their time fighting for the common man. The average college/internet communist is not this person. They dedicate their time to reading (or pretending to have read) arcane texts from incoherent philosophers, and arguing on the internet. And there is nothing inherently wrong with that, as long as it is clear that they are pure lifestylist and hipster with no real intent or ability to change anything. They're far too serious about crap that will never change and doesn't matter.
However, with that said, my heart yearns for these delirious speds whenever I re-encounter the real world and the political opinions that dwell within, or the opinions on the more mainstream corners of the internet; where proposing a method of dealing with Mitt Romney that involves nationalizing all of his money, sending him to forced labor camp, and appropriating his blood and functional organs upon death is seen as "crazy." Where shrieking "OPEN HER THROAT ON THE FILTHY GROUND LIKE THE PIG SHE IS" in response to some fat Australian oligarch will get one expelled from the discourse. So that is why I continue to stay in this lardy madhouse. For as ridiculous as they are, they are less ridiculous than this decorum-fetishist liberal nightmare world.
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getfiscal posted:Goethestein posted:I enjoy trolling communists for two primary reasons. The first is that there is a huge percentage of humorless jags within the movement. Second, that humorlessness would be respectable from a in-the-dirt labor crusader who spends all their time fighting for the common man. The average college/internet communist is not this person. They dedicate their time to reading (or pretending to have read) arcane texts from incoherent philosophers, and arguing on the internet. And there is nothing inherently wrong with that, as long as it is clear that they are pure lifestylist and hipster with no real intent or ability to change anything. They're far too serious about crap that will never change and doesn't matter.
However, with that said, my heart yearns for these delirious speds whenever I re-encounter the real world and the political opinions that dwell within, or the opinions on the more mainstream corners of the internet; where proposing a method of dealing with Mitt Romney that involves nationalizing all of his money, sending him to forced labor camp, and appropriating his blood and functional organs upon death is seen as "crazy." Where shrieking "OPEN HER THROAT ON THE FILTHY GROUND LIKE THE PIG SHE IS" in response to some fat Australian oligarch will get one expelled from the discourse. So that is why I continue to stay in this lardy madhouse. For as ridiculous as they are, they are less ridiculous than this decorum-fetishist liberal nightmare world.5
yeah thats real talk city
Eventually the admins and the FYAD* clique decided that LF was a "Retarded Forum for Faggots" because of the marxism, renamed it as such and appointed FYADers in charge who banned people for violating absurd rules like not putting a picture of Bart Simpson in every post or for whatever. They also created a new status called forum cancer that caused anyone who posted in LF to experience annoyances such as a changed avatar or a picture of the pokemon ponyta sometimes appearing whenever you hit the "submit reply" button.
Ultimately, they wound up deleting the forum outright. The trigger being a FYAD posting a threat against the presidents life and Lowtax getting a visit from the secret service. The LF community was misblamed. I was a fool and tried to kiss the asses of the mods to try to get them to undo what they did, changing the system from within. I wasn't really that much of an LF poster when it was on the forums but I did enjoy the prison thread and the other effort threads.
I wound up alienating both sides of the drama. My acount was made FYAD only so that FYAD could abuse me for a week. While FYADbanned, I made friends on IRC among the social justice posters who were still left and were having their own conflict with the mods. LF ultimately moved off site. Conflicts within the community caused the community to go through multiple incarnations. I was not really involved with it until "post garden." I had a rocky start as I was not really part of its evolution from liberalism to socialism.
*FYAD stands for Fuck You and Die. Its the "post whatever" forum for gross pictures and flame wars that has a cliquish culture with a nothing is sacred since of humor. They are loved by the admins and many of the moderators came from that clique.
EmanuelaOrlandi posted:'accidental prostitute visit?' lol he participated in teh sex trade, flew to a country where that shit is well known to go on all the time. but it was Just A Big Accident.
who among us hasn't committed major sins worthy of eternal damnation
gyrofry posted:cycloneboy prob
the sin of pride, pride in his asexuality (which is real)
