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what if its just one of those days where you dont wanna wake up, everything is fucked, everybody sucks. you dont realyl know why. but you wanna justify ripping someones head off
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jools posted:

what if its just one of those days where you dont wanna wake up, everything is fucked, everybody sucks. you dont realyl know why. but you wanna justify ripping someones head off



i really connected with that song as a teen no joke

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yeah fred.. i know exactly what you mean.
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discipline posted:

that's pretty sad tom I'm sorry you feel like that



i knew you were gonna say something like that. its not sad at all, i dont feel bad or anything like that. im feeling good about pretty much everything in my life, especially myself and im not like a mopey depressed person in the morning. its just hard to wake up i guess is all im saying. im a baby.

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my new plan for waking up is to find some way to blast gerry read as my alarm clock and as soon as it goes off scream the hawqala and fling myself out of bed in the 30 second window i have between regaining consciousness and falling asleep again for another 6 hours

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eh tbh i see where tommy tom tom is coming from, like i feel a lot like that often but i also really dont feel bad about myself and my life, my life, my life
#49
Mike Nelson here.
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'trotskyism' is a rational response to the horrific situation in 'stalinist' countries where incredible, arbitrary repression and widespread economic mismanagement made it seem necessary to people to construct an alternative. huey is correct that this model never amounted to much more than a 'liberal Stalinism' - trotskyists often couldn't imagine a socialism different than the USSR's with popular control extended. but even stalinist countries quickly tried to abandon the worst features of stalinism, so much so that even a few years after stalin's death, the USSR was largely convinced of such a need.

the advent of 'maoism' was in itself almost completely about destalinization, although it tactically tended to focus its attacks broadly on the the soviet line while defending stalin in order to preserve its position internationally. and one leading left-maoist model for overcoming stalinism was almost entirely the same as trotskyism - the formation of a federation of democratic communes based on local councils, attacking bureaucratic rule, proliferating diversity between party factions. in many countries maoists work directly with either trotskyists (greece) or anarchists (quebec) based on these facts.
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#51
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despite all my rage I'm just a rat in a cup
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the problem is trotskyism is also a cargo cult for revolution, unbending and inflexible
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#54
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its very odd, all of my posts now have the tone of ken posts
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tpaine posted:

its you



I wish I was this sexy!

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oh lmao it's ken in his orgy mask?
#59
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i'm not a trotskyist, that's what so insane about this
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Gandhi was able to fight imperialism using destalination. during the stalt march gandhi and his followers boiled the staline out of the steawater, steized the means of stodium production, and triggered a widestread Civil Distobedience Movement. QED
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eh, the best rebuttal to trotskyist politics is that they've never achieved anything + they're just plain weird. i seriously have never met a single trotskyist that isn't a little creepy, kind of awkward to be around and totally fucking paranoid. die-hard marxist-leninist supporters of stalin or mao on the other hand, are actually mostly awesome people who will chill out and have a drink with you. funny how that turns out
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i actually like the concept raised by BHPN that among social democrats in the waest trotskyism was never truly an ideology but rather apologia.
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#66
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i want to drink beer with bob afakean.
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discipline posted:

I have a hard time waking up because I'm getting exhausted of feeling like every day is this ridiculous battle against forces best described as jory from the pk dick book "ubik"



do you think that is rooted in self-loathing? like feeling that youre constantly at war with the world because you need to be something more, because what you are is not good enough

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does anyone have a link to that paper by an Indian marxist (whose name i cant remember) that tried doing a marxist analysis of the USSR from the POV of political economy? ugh its killing me i cant remember the name of the paper but i remember reading it a long time ago and never finishing it
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is this the one youre thinking of? http://www.amazon.com/Marxian-Concept-Capital-Soviet-Experience/dp/0275945308
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hi
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actually kind of grateful someone is explaining what trotskyism is and why it sucks rather than calling people "trots" and leaving it at that.
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all I know about troskyism I learned from http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1295072/
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diamond_galas posted:

is this the one youre thinking of? http://www.amazon.com/Marxian-Concept-Capital-Soviet-Experience/dp/0275945308



http://www.mediafire.com/?751pz0bdw95wg59

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getfiscal posted:

'trotskyism' is a rational response to the horrific situation in 'stalinist' countries where incredible, arbitrary repression and widespread economic mismanagement made it seem necessary to people to construct an alternative. huey is correct that this model never amounted to much more than a 'liberal Stalinism' - trotskyists often couldn't imagine a socialism different than the USSR's with popular control extended. but even stalinist countries quickly tried to abandon the worst features of stalinism, so much so that even a few years after stalin's death, the USSR was largely convinced of such a need.

the advent of 'maoism' was in itself almost completely about destalinization, although it tactically tended to focus its attacks broadly on the the soviet line while defending stalin in order to preserve its position internationally. and one leading left-maoist model for overcoming stalinism was almost entirely the same as trotskyism - the formation of a federation of democratic communes based on local councils, attacking bureaucratic rule, proliferating diversity between party factions. in many countries maoists work directly with either trotskyists (greece) or anarchists (quebec) based on these facts.



so what do you think of this, which argues that maoist marxism is closer to stalinist marxism than anything:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/32322341/On-What-is-Maoism

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babyfinland posted:

i'm almost 26 years old and i still feel about the same as a person as i did when i was like 17 or whatever i.e. stupid, awkward, nervous, repulsive, existentially alone, waking up sad every morning, but in general enjoying life anyways. i think that probably is how life goes. you don't really change inside. you just grow older and start doing things that people see as adult-like instead of child-like and then you can fake being a Man outside your bedroom. on the inside though the difference is i have a lot more confidence and i know who i am now and i think that means i'm doing it right. how are your lives going friends?

shUt up U gay faeg

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babyfinland posted:

"sad" isn't the right word for how i feel in the morning. it's not sad it's just that i don't want to live when i wake up. hahah every morning i have to convince myself that i need to live another day and everything that entails. being a good person is clockin' in every day

this is probably patently false as well as the idea of good or bad people is really gaey and dumb

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jools posted:

what if its just one of those days where you dont wanna wake up, everything is fucked, everybody sucks. you dont realyl know why. but you wanna justify ripping someones head off

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huey you should work on your second point more to clarify it and make it better writing because it seems kind of muddy as it is. your points about trots & so on are good but the actually cool/interesting point you're making is one about western psychology maybe, i.e. similarities in trots & liberals & social democrats, lUzer psychology, etc.
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getfiscal posted:

'trotskyism' is a rational response to the horrific situation in 'stalinist' countries where incredible, arbitrary repression and widespread economic mismanagement made it seem necessary to people to construct an alternative. huey is correct that this model never amounted to much more than a 'liberal Stalinism' - trotskyists often couldn't imagine a socialism different than the USSR's with popular control extended. but even stalinist countries quickly tried to abandon the worst features of stalinism, so much so that even a few years after stalin's death, the USSR was largely convinced of such a need.

the advent of 'maoism' was in itself almost completely about destalinization, although it tactically tended to focus its attacks broadly on the the soviet line while defending stalin in order to preserve its position internationally. and one leading left-maoist model for overcoming stalinism was almost entirely the same as trotskyism - the formation of a federation of democratic communes based on local councils, attacking bureaucratic rule, proliferating diversity between party factions. in many countries maoists work directly with either trotskyists (greece) or anarchists (quebec) based on these facts.

what in the hell is this insane shit

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the way i see it is, people have good AND bad sides to them, and they have to choose which side they're going to listen to. just my two cents.
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diamond_galas posted:

the way i see it is, people have good AND bad sides to them, and they have to choose which side they're going to listen to. just my two cents.



that's not how it works, some people are just born chaotic evil.