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babyhueypnewton posted:

babyfinland posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

lol saying nietzsche didn't speak of politics is like saying Machiavelli didn't speak about politics because he didn't include bourgeois ethics in his prescriptions. also nietzsche going "crazy" is completely irrelevant and dismissing or modifying his work with that in mind is basically a way of dismissing radical thought as "crazy". see: Foucault (and again see him for more explicit politicizing of Nietzsche)

who are you talking to

sorry got to the party late, pretty rare nietzsche comes up in lf though and even rarer that he isn't immediately dismissed by liberals for being "racist" and "misogynistic" and/or "crazy"



ok? did someone forget their filipino sunrise this morning

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babyfinland posted:

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I didn't dismiss his work on the grounds of him being batshit insane, which he obviously was, I said it was the best part about reading his work! It's all the things besides his insanity being so interesting that are the bad parts.

hmm interesting stuff, I'm sure you have a well developed definition of "insanity" and have thought carefully about your opinions

syphillis counts dude



who cares it didn't affect any of his writing and has shit all to do with his philosophy. the only argument that could be made is that ecce homo was influenced by syphilis (which is actually not true it was cancer) and that is a poor argument to make since it's barely supported in a textual analysis

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babyhueypnewton posted:

babyfinland posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

I didn't dismiss his work on the grounds of him being batshit insane, which he obviously was, I said it was the best part about reading his work! It's all the things besides his insanity being so interesting that are the bad parts.

hmm interesting stuff, I'm sure you have a well developed definition of "insanity" and have thought carefully about your opinions

syphillis counts dude

who cares it didn't affect any of his writing and has shit all to do with his philosophy. the only argument that could be made is that ecce homo was influenced by syphilis (which is actually not true it was cancer) and that is a poor argument to make since it's barely supported in a textual analysis



do you even read what people sya before you shriek at them or what

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babyhueypnewton posted:

who cares it didn't affect any of his writing and has shit all to do with his philosophy. the only argument that could be made is that ecce homo was influenced by syphilis (which is actually not true it was cancer) and that is a poor argument to make since it's barely supported in a textual analysis



nietzsche was fuckin CRAZY as SHIt dude

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The bourgeois individual is not born until one discovers the pleasures of privacy. But this is a very special kind of “private self”—it is, in fact, a deferred “public” self, for this bourgeois private self, as Jurgen Habermas has reminded us, is “always already oriented to an audience .”
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babyfinland posted:

do you even read what people sya before you shriek at them or what



Hahahaha good qustion. I don't think he even knows how to read at all! Such a n00b...

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hilarious that a forum that flirts with fascism would immediately buy into post-nazi propaganda to dismiss nietzsche's already misinterpreted role in NAZI philosophy, guess ironic fascism is just the new way to be interesting for kids
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babyhueypnewton posted:

hilarious that a forum that flirts with fascism would immediately buy into post-nazi propaganda to dismiss nietzsche's already misinterpreted role in NAZI philosophy, guess ironic fascism is just the new way to be interesting for kids



hilarious that once again, i am the smartest man in a room full of ghost nazis. mwahah.

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babyhueypnewton posted:

hilarious that a forum that flirts with fascism would immediately buy into post-nazi propaganda to dismiss nietzsche's already misinterpreted role in NAZI philosophy, guess ironic fascism is just the new way to be interesting for kids



not that hilarious really, it's no billy madison

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babyhueypnewton posted:

hilarious that a forum that flirts with fascism would immediately buy into post-nazi propaganda to dismiss nietzsche's already misinterpreted role in NAZI philosophy, guess ironic fascism is just the new way to be interesting for kids


your problem is thinking that reading Nietzsche is necessarily prescriptive. one does not have to justify the morality of nietzsche in order to read him. he's just part of the evolution of philosophical thought.

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Jerthebear posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

hilarious that a forum that flirts with fascism would immediately buy into post-nazi propaganda to dismiss nietzsche's already misinterpreted role in NAZI philosophy, guess ironic fascism is just the new way to be interesting for kids

your problem is thinking that reading Nietzsche is necessarily prescriptive. one does not have to justify the morality of nietzsche in order to read him. he's just part of the evolution of philosophical thought.



yeah obviously you can read him without understanding his thought, no one is going to steal your eyeballs. but if you had understood him, the idea of his being part of an "evolution" is absurd, he is the original anti-historicist. and before anyone says anything, marxism is not a historicism either.

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babyhueypnewton posted:

Jerthebear posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

hilarious that a forum that flirts with fascism would immediately buy into post-nazi propaganda to dismiss nietzsche's already misinterpreted role in NAZI philosophy, guess ironic fascism is just the new way to be interesting for kids

your problem is thinking that reading Nietzsche is necessarily prescriptive. one does not have to justify the morality of nietzsche in order to read him. he's just part of the evolution of philosophical thought.

yeah obviously you can read him without understanding his thought, no one is going to steal your eyeballs. but if you had understood him, the idea of his being part of an "evolution" is absurd, he is the original anti-historicist. and before anyone says anything, marxism is not a historicism either.



marx is ambiguous enough that he can be read as a historicist. why do you argue that nietzsche is the "first anti-historicist"?

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babyfinland posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

Jerthebear posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

hilarious that a forum that flirts with fascism would immediately buy into post-nazi propaganda to dismiss nietzsche's already misinterpreted role in NAZI philosophy, guess ironic fascism is just the new way to be interesting for kids

your problem is thinking that reading Nietzsche is necessarily prescriptive. one does not have to justify the morality of nietzsche in order to read him. he's just part of the evolution of philosophical thought.

yeah obviously you can read him without understanding his thought, no one is going to steal your eyeballs. but if you had understood him, the idea of his being part of an "evolution" is absurd, he is the original anti-historicist. and before anyone says anything, marxism is not a historicism either.

marx is ambiguous enough that he can be read as a historicist. why do you argue that nietzsche is the "first anti-historicist"?



I mean that there were plenty of philosophers who were not historicist, and in fact the majority of humanity throughout history didn't see history as a progression or evolution. But Nietzsche is the first to be "anti"-historicist by explicitly attacking the liberal ideal of historical progress.

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babyhueypnewton posted:

babyfinland posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

Jerthebear posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

hilarious that a forum that flirts with fascism would immediately buy into post-nazi propaganda to dismiss nietzsche's already misinterpreted role in NAZI philosophy, guess ironic fascism is just the new way to be interesting for kids

your problem is thinking that reading Nietzsche is necessarily prescriptive. one does not have to justify the morality of nietzsche in order to read him. he's just part of the evolution of philosophical thought.

yeah obviously you can read him without understanding his thought, no one is going to steal your eyeballs. but if you had understood him, the idea of his being part of an "evolution" is absurd, he is the original anti-historicist. and before anyone says anything, marxism is not a historicism either.

marx is ambiguous enough that he can be read as a historicist. why do you argue that nietzsche is the "first anti-historicist"?

I mean that there were plenty of philosophers who were not historicist, and in fact the majority of humanity throughout history didn't see history as a progression or evolution. But Nietzsche is the first to be "anti"-historicist by explicitly attacking the liberal ideal of historical progress.



that doesnt really justify your claim. you can easily be historicist without adopting that specific "liberal" position

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babyhueypnewton posted:

babyfinland posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

Jerthebear posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

hilarious that a forum that flirts with fascism would immediately buy into post-nazi propaganda to dismiss nietzsche's already misinterpreted role in NAZI philosophy, guess ironic fascism is just the new way to be interesting for kids

your problem is thinking that reading Nietzsche is necessarily prescriptive. one does not have to justify the morality of nietzsche in order to read him. he's just part of the evolution of philosophical thought.

yeah obviously you can read him without understanding his thought, no one is going to steal your eyeballs. but if you had understood him, the idea of his being part of an "evolution" is absurd, he is the original anti-historicist. and before anyone says anything, marxism is not a historicism either.

marx is ambiguous enough that he can be read as a historicist. why do you argue that nietzsche is the "first anti-historicist"?

I mean that there were plenty of philosophers who were not historicist, and in fact the majority of humanity throughout history didn't see history as a progression or evolution. But Nietzsche is the first to be "anti"-historicist by explicitly attacking the liberal ideal of historical progress.


Nietzsche is part of the evolution of thought insofar as he had a direct predecessor (Schopenhauer) and those who followed after him...

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Jerthebear posted:

Nietzsche is part of the evolution of thought insofar as he had a direct predecessor (Schopenhauer) and those who followed after him...



that's not what evolution means.

babyfinland posted:

that doesnt really justify your claim. you can easily be historicist without adopting that specific "liberal" position


you're being very cryptic, you'll have to explain what other kind of historicism you mean here

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babyfinland posted:

that doesnt really justify your claim. you can easily be historicist without adopting that specific "liberal" position


you're being very cryptic, you'll have to explain what other kind of historicism you mean here

lol. literally any other sort of historicism. e.g. marxist historicism? im not being cryptic at all.

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marxist historicism is pretty clearly liberal historicism. the socialist trend that sees marxism/socialism as the continuation of the liberal, humanistic goals of the enlightenment is the historicist trend (sartre, lukacs, marcuse, almost the entire western marxist tradition). i wouldn't object to someone calling marx the original anti-humanist, but since there is a division within his own work between the young marx and the mature marx i think my statement is fair.
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babyhueypnewton posted:

marxist historicism is pretty clearly liberal historicism. the socialist trend that sees marxism/socialism as the continuation of the liberal, humanistic goals of the enlightenment is the historicist trend (sartre, lukacs, marcuse, almost the entire western marxist tradition). i wouldn't object to someone calling marx the original anti-humanist, but since there is a division within his own work between the young marx and the mature marx i think my statement is fair.



um excuse me but theres only room for one guy who reads a thinker and immediately adopts an extreme partisan position on that basis and its been filled. by me. get out.

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The narrative of ancient aliens is that a long time ago, as portrayed in Sumerian myth, a bunch of aliens came to earth to mine gold to replentish the gold deficiency in their planets atmosphere. After various failed experiments they successfully created man in a laboratory to be their slave laborers in the gold mines. They left but still continue to intervene in human history and provide humans with technology. Also every single miracle-type event or unexplainable phenomenon in every holy book of every religion is actually talking about one of mankinds encounters with aliens.

THat is more or less the actual theory behind ancient aliens.



why u spoil Prometheus

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lmao at marx not being historicist.

that bhpn sure is something.
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a great thinker, attacked for his actions and not for his ideas.

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im pretty stupid, can someone explain to me what historicism means in this or any context
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babyfinland posted:

um excuse me but theres only room for one guy who reads a thinker and immediately adopts an extreme partisan position on that basis and its been filled. by me. get out.


*gathers collection of Comte books, throws wayfarers on, and struts out the door*

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cleanhands posted:

im pretty stupid, can someone explain to me what historicism means in this or any context


read tpaine's post history.

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babyfinland posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

marxist historicism is pretty clearly liberal historicism. the socialist trend that sees marxism/socialism as the continuation of the liberal, humanistic goals of the enlightenment is the historicist trend (sartre, lukacs, marcuse, almost the entire western marxist tradition). i wouldn't object to someone calling marx the original anti-humanist, but since there is a division within his own work between the young marx and the mature marx i think my statement is fair.

um excuse me but theres only room for one guy who reads a thinker and immediately adopts an extreme partisan position on that basis and its been filled. by me. get out.



Agamben...

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the annunaki didnt create humanity, they just gave us culture and civilisation
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cleanhands posted:

im pretty stupid, can someone explain to me what historicism means in this or any context



in the pejorative sense that its being used here, a deterministic view of history that argues that history progresses according to laws within an empty, secular time

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babyfinland posted:

cleanhands posted:

im pretty stupid, can someone explain to me what historicism means in this or any context

in the pejorative sense that its being used here, a deterministic view of history that argues that history progresses according to laws within an empty, secular time

haha much like your posting!!!! boom shack a lack

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cleanhands posted:

babyfinland posted:

cleanhands posted:

im pretty stupid, can someone explain to me what historicism means in this or any context

in the pejorative sense that its being used here, a deterministic view of history that argues that history progresses according to laws within an empty, secular time

haha much like your posting!!!! boom shack a lack



curse you cleanhands.

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holy shit you are fucking talented when you are able to make nietzsche boring. good job. slow clap