deadken posted:its cool how despite the fact that a bunch of us claim to be influenced in our outlook by foucault and d&g we still cling to conventional notions of mental illness when presented with an example for analysis
im not sure the concept of mental illness can even exist outside the framework of "conventional notions". isnt it pretty much completely defined by them?
DOn't talk to dm. Back in the hole.
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Superabound posted:dm posted:no, i was seriously confused as hell and it was Not Good. this is why i've been classified as disabled. the insurance company does its thing and routinely tries to find reasons to stop paying so i have to send them letters from my psychiatrist saying that i'm incapable of working and shit every so often. it's not fun, it's humiliating and sucks a lot and i'm really sick of it
if it makes you feel any better, the only reason you find this to be more humiliating than working for a living is because you and everyone else has been socially conditioned since birth to subconsciously normalize wage slavery. Theft and handout-taking is the only rational response to a capitalist society
this is absolutely wrong
Superabound posted:deadken posted:its cool how despite the fact that a bunch of us claim to be influenced in our outlook by foucault and d&g we still cling to conventional notions of mental illness when presented with an example for analysis
im not sure the concept of mental illness can even exist outside the framework of "conventional notions". isnt it pretty much completely defined by them?
shut up
Superabound posted:deadken posted:its cool how despite the fact that a bunch of us claim to be influenced in our outlook by foucault and d&g we still cling to conventional notions of mental illness when presented with an example for analysis
im not sure the concept of mental illness can even exist outside the framework of "conventional notions". isnt it pretty much completely defined by them?
uh yeah thats exactly what i meant? sorry next time i'll just say "conventional 'notions' of m£ntal illne$$ " if it means i wont be misunderstood by autists
deadken posted:well given that foucault considers the idea of mental illness itself to be a result of an erroneous attempt to subject psychic and somatic phenomena to the same pathology thats p obvious rly
i dont understand your initial comment then i guess
deadken posted:bf have u read gadamer's truth and method.
no, but dm reccomended it to me. have you?
babyfinland posted:neither foucault or deleuze claim that mental illness is identical to the Other, but that the Other is relegated to the category of mental illness. just saying.
which Other?!? please be mindful of your shiftkey, unlike at d&d, it actually matters here.
someone notify zizek regardless so he can run that shit into the ground when he does the next series of speaking engagements
deadken posted:nah but im gettin a bunch more books soon and i think i might buy it.... balanced w/ sorel's reflections on violence 4 extra futurism chops
sorel is fun, you might be disappointed if youre expecting marinetti style theater
http://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-Companion-Companions-Philosophy-ebook/dp/B000VDGTKQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1340497606&sr=1-1&keywords=gadamer
AmericanNazbro posted:oh yeah, speaking of the Other: ken post your tattoo
im too hipster to own a digital camera
deadken posted:speakin of which has anyone read baudrillard's 'forget foucault'? i saw a copy in city lights in sf but i was too broke to buy it and too sentimental to steal.... is it any good or just pomo wafflin'
wafflin. its like the mirror of production except about foucault, foucault is unable to see past his own field of study and so ends up merely producing its reverse instead of a real alternative etc.
the edition I read had an interview with baudrillard called "forget baudrillard" where the interviewer tried to do to him what he did to foucault lol.
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babyfinland posted:i'd like to get this but its $30 which is more than im willing to pay for a kindle book at this point
http://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-Companion-Companions-Philosophy-ebook/dp/B000VDGTKQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1340497606&sr=1-1&keywords=gadamer
http://libgen.info/view.php?id=188480
gadamer is cool but you wont get much out of him if you havent read heidegger
dongs posted:babyfinland posted:i'd like to get this but its $30 which is more than im willing to pay for a kindle book at this point
http://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-Companion-Companions-Philosophy-ebook/dp/B000VDGTKQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1340497606&sr=1-1&keywords=gadamerhttp://libgen.info/view.php?id=188480
gadamer is cool but you wont get much out of him if you havent read heidegger
that essay collection is suppsoed to be good for noobs
thanks for the link
life still just goes on and on and on and on
Transient_Grace posted:no one is less than human my friend, it's a very inclusive category and all.
i'm not talking about that! there should be no guilt there as that person has consistently treated me like a human
it's about the way things are "all in my head" in the double sense of not requiring acknowledgment and/or accommodation on the one hand and being the explanation for anything i do that deviates from norms on the other. that's persistent and never ceases to amaze me
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e: is it really all that surprising that i should be so confused this whole time btw?
e2:
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dm posted:being less than human owns. like in general rather than anything recent and specific that i deserved.
life still just goes on and on and on and on
it gets tedious after about a decade
AmericanNazbro posted:dm posted:being less than human owns. like in general rather than anything recent and specific that i deserved.
life still just goes on and on and on and onit gets tedious after about a decade
yes, my mom is seriously threatening to kick me out of the house for confronting her about the whole making me feel less than human thing and none of my "friends" give a shit or are willing to talk about it.
it's a good thing i'm not blaming myself and accepting THAT shit anymore or i'd be a bit suicidal over some stupid internet stuff.
e: it's tempting to just go back into my chemically induced coma though. i kinda feel like i should do it if you know what i mean
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dm posted:AmericanNazbro posted:dm posted:being less than human owns. like in general rather than anything recent and specific that i deserved.
life still just goes on and on and on and onit gets tedious after about a decade
yes, my mom is seriously threatening to kick me out of the house for confronting her about the whole making me feel less than human thing and none of my "friends" give a shit or are willing to talk about it.
it's a good thing i'm not blaming myself and accepting THAT shit anymore or i'd be a bit suicidal over some stupid internet stuff.
e: it's tempting to just go back into my chemically induced coma though. i kinda feel like i should do it if you know what i mean
yeah i know what you mean, i downed a bunch of pills last night because i was stuck in emotional stagnation.
maybe moving out would actually be beneficial to you? i don't know the details of your life, but i'm sure you've considered it and thought through all the logistics, weighing the pros/cons. it's a big step but a change in venue, a break out from the status quo, might be what's needed to refocus your mindset and to keep from dwelling on things in the past?
i don't know, just posing the question. you know the answers better than me and i don't like to get involved with other peoples lives or insinuate i possess some unique insight into their lives by being a third person observer
cleanhands posted:nofap july yall, that means no porn and no getting stinky w/yourself. get hype
lets do this
AmericanNazbro posted:yeah i know what you mean, i downed a bunch of pills last night because i was stuck in emotional stagnation.
maybe moving out would actually be beneficial to you? i don't know the details of your life, but i'm sure you've considered it and thought through all the logistics, weighing the pros/cons. it's a big step but a change in venue, a break out from the status quo, might be what's needed to refocus your mindset and to keep from dwelling on things in the past?
i don't know, just posing the question. you know the answers better than me and i don't like to get involved with other peoples lives or insinuate i possess some unique insight into their lives by being a third person observer
yes, i'm planning on going to LA because i have contacts there that don't know my family (not THAT contact). i'll see about trying to repair a certain friendship once i'm there if it's still possible though i'm not optimistic at this point. i've told people irl (in person/on the phone) that i'm going to be doing it and i'll have a little help. no concrete plans yet, but i'm setting it as like a goal for myself for the future. it will be later this year at the earliest.
i have to get off the meds i'm on before i can do it though because i won't be able to afford them. that's going to continue to be a huge pain.
dm posted:i fixed the facebook shit too btw. i'm gonna go back to not using it anyways
it has to do with the depersonalization. it's just way too disorienting. there was also no way for me to create a sense of group identity that would impose the appropriate constraints
