#1441
Post rating: +

Gssh posted:

Very interesting. Does the reclassification also affect what is considered a legal response to Israeli and Turkish attacks?



https://www.facebook.com/amal.saad111/posts/10154589895438175?pnref=story


this is her post: no one has asked her any questions about it and that would be a good one

swampman posted:

Panopticon posted:

apparently sputnik had a photojournalist at the hit airbase and one of the pics they've been showing is of a bunch of discarded soviet chemical weapons containers



https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201704071052410762-syria-army-airfield-arrival/



good work by the OPCW you can see why they & the US government agreed in 2014 that all syrian chemical weapons were destroyed

#1442
Post rating: +
hmmm the ghouls of the SAMS (expat doctors who call for humanitarian sanctions - denial of medicine to the 15 million syrians under government protection) are claiming on behalf of alqaeda that the gov attacked them again with chemical weapons hours after the US attack



what a great precedent this has set.

this is a syrian doctor i am talking with; i asked him here what the effects of sanctions are on the syrian health system
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1d0MFL8avvD

if you have any other questions you want me to ask him please say and i will post his response
#1443
Post rating: +

insta_gramsci posted:

also if you haven't read it sy hersh's piece on the 2013 cw attack in ghouta puts a lot of the events of the past week into perspective:

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n24/seymour-m-hersh/whose-sarin

the attack in khan sheikhoun is just way too convenient, especially given what has followed.



https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line

This article is also good, goes more in depth into how the rebels have access to chemical weapons. Also ties in the Benghazi attacks, and how weapons smuggling to Syria was involved in that.

#1444
Post rating: +
The fascinating thing about the anti-Syria first world leftist groups is how much their arguments rely on their readers' hatred of Russia and Iran. They rely on the caricatures of Iran and Russia as dystopian black holes of freedom to paint Syria with the same brush. It's convenient that these same groups analyze the Soviet Union in the same way, all the CIA propaganda through a socialist lense
#1445
Post rating: ~

swampman posted:

https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/850459002039406593



xipe posted:

good work by the OPCW you can see why they & the US government agreed in 2014 that all syrian chemical weapons were destroyed



https://www.opcw.org/news/article/media-brief-reported-use-of-chemical-weapons-southern-idlib-syria-4-april-2017/

Syria became a State Party to the Chemical Weapons Convention and a Member State of the OPCW in October 2013. As a result of a joint OPCW-UN operation, in cooperation with the Syrian government, all of the chemical weapons declared by Syria were removed and destroyed outside of Syrian territory.

#1446
Post rating: +
more evidence of the Legume Regime's mustard plant growing program




oh you thought trumps imperialism wasnt woke?

Edited by xipe ()

#1447
Post rating: +
those containers can also carry munitions like cluster bombs, and there are cluster bomb caps in the photos
#1448
Post rating: +


I checked to see if Panoptikon had posted this earlier, but then I realized he doesn't actually care about civilians in the empire's enemy states. From justifying the millions of Indians starved to death by the British empire, to celebrating Nazi death squads that killed hundreds of thousands in Ukraine, the forums reader should see a pattern emerge.

The source that posted the original claims, recanted. Guyovich is right, these store cluster submunitions.



#1449
Post rating: +

Panopticon posted:

sorry. i'm sorry. i'm trying to remove it




xipe posted:

this is a syrian doctor i am talking with; i asked him here what the effects of sanctions are on the syrian health system
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1d0MFL8avvD

if you have any other questions you want me to ask him please say and i will post his response



i asked this time how the medical system in syria worked before the war and how it continues to work now.
the doc travels to europe every few months to earn money, so he compared those health systems

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1a0djeByGPG

#1450
Post rating: ~
at first i thought panopticon was just infected with standard ex-liberal hand-wringing naivety, but now it's clear he's just a racist liberal.
#1451
Post rating: +
the british imperial left always serve Queen & country in the end, just show him this pic

#1452
Post rating: ~

xipe posted:

that would be a good one


Im not on social media so am unable to ask. If someone else does please post response. Cheers for your investigations and posts xipe.

#1453
UNUSUALY COOL
Post rating: ~

Panopticon posted:

https://www.opcw.org/news/article/media-brief-reported-use-of-chemical-weapons-southern-idlib-syria-4-april-2017/

Syria became a State Party to the Chemical Weapons Convention and a Member State of the OPCW in October 2013. As a result of a joint OPCW-UN operation, in cooperation with the Syrian government, all of the chemical weapons declared by Syria were removed and destroyed outside of Syrian territory.



i realize your source owned you publicly here but i think each own should improve the owned... so uh i guess remember that when you inspect something to see what it is you still have to look at it to find out whether or not its what youre looking for. peace

#1454
Post rating: +
#1455
YUNG JIRO AKA SHOWA STUNNA AKA
Post rating: +
Nice Grey Wolves x Amerikkka collab tees
#1456
Post rating: +++++
http://fair.org/home/five-top-papers-run-18-opinion-pieces-praising-syria-strikes-zero-are-critical/


Five major US newspapers—the New York Times, Washington Post, USA Today, Wall Street Journal and New York Daily News—offered no opinion space to anyone opposed to Donald Trump’s Thursday night airstrikes. By contrast, the five papers ran a total of 18 op-eds, columns or “news analysis” articles (dressed-up opinion pieces) that either praised the strikes or criticized them for not being harsh enough:

New York Times

After the Missiles, We Need Smart Diplomacy on Syria (4/7/17)
Acting on Instinct, Trump Upends His Own Foreign Policy (4/7/17) (originally headlined “On Syria Attack, Trump’s Heart Came First”—presumably changed due to social media mockery)
Trump Raises the Stakes for Russia and Iran (4/7/17)
Syria’s ‘Conundrum’: Limited Strikes Risk Entrenching Assad’s Strategy (4/7/17)

Washington Post

Editorial: Trump’s Chance to Step Into the Global Leadership Vacuum (4/7/17)
Trump Enforces the ‘Red Line’ on Chemical Weapons (4/6/17)
Trump Has an Opportunity to Right Obama’s Wrongs in Syria (4/6/17)
Syrian Opposition Leader: Trump Has a Chance to Save Syria (4/7/17)
Was Trump’s Syria Strike a Moral Impulse or a Policy Change? (4/7/17)
Will Trump’s Decision to Strike Syria Reset His Presidency? (4/7/17)
Trump Might Be Going to War. But He Has No Plans for Establishing Peace (4/7/17) (Though the piece has criticism of Trump, it starts by declaring that the missile strikes were “an appropriate response to an act of unspeakable horror.”)

Wall Street Journal

Editorial: Trump’s Syria Opportunity (4/7/17)
With Strike on Syria, Trump Sends a Global Message (4/7/17)

USA Today

Editorial: Trump Pulls the Trigger in Syria (4/7/17)
Syria Missile Strike Could Lead to Political Solution (4/7/17)

Daily News

Praise Trump’s Syria Action, but Question His Explanation (4/7/17)
Trump’s Syria Response Raises Urgent Questions (4/7/17)
Trump’s Syria Action: A Limited Strike for a Specific Purpose (4/7/17)

Some, such as “The Riddle of Trump’s Syria Attack” (New York Times, 4/7/17) and “Was That Syria Attack Legal? Only Congress Can Say” (USA Today, 4/7/17) were value neutral—neither expressly in support of the attacks nor opposing them.

Cable news coverage was equally fawning. In the hours immediately following the attack, MSNBC had on a seemingly never-ending string of military brass and reporters who uncritically repeated the assertion the strikes were “proportional” and “limited.” MSNBC didn’t give a platform to a single dissenting voice until four hours after the attacks began, when host Chris Hayes, according to his own account, had on two guests opposed to the airstrikes in the midnight slot. MSNBC host Brian Williams got into a bit of hot water when he lovingly admired a slick video sent over by the Pentagon showing tomahawk missiles being fired from US navy vessels (FAIR.org, 4/7/17).

CNN’s resident Serious Military Person Lt. Gen Mark Hertling repeated over and over—seemingly on script—that the strikes were “bold, tactical.” CNN’s Fareed Zakaria gushed praise on Trump Friday morning (4/7/17; FAIR.org, 4/7/17), telling host Alisyn Camerota, “I think Donald Trump became president of the United States…. This was a big moment.”

Due to the mostly bipartisan support for the airstrikes, it’s somewhat predictable that corporate media would follow suit. No need to debate the morality or utility of the strikes, because the scene played out per usual: Dictator commits an alleged human rights violation, the media calls on those in power to “do something” and the ticking time bomb compels immediate action, lest we look “weak” on the “global stage.” Anything that deviates from this narrative is given token attention at best.
#1457
YUNG JIRO AKA SHOWA STUNNA AKA
Post rating: ~
lol
#1458
Dont Mess With Sucess
Post rating: +
congratulations to panopticon for being the only rhizzone poster who bothers reading the news
#1459
Post rating: ~

jiroemon1897 posted:

Nice Grey Wolves x Amerikkka collab tees




i-i-i-i-incredable :prais:e

#1460
Post rating: -----

RTC posted:

From justifying the millions of Indians starved to death by the British empire, to celebrating Nazi death squads that killed hundreds of thousands in Ukraine, the forums reader should see a pattern emerge.



the pattern being that tankies are compulsive liars

#1461
Post rating: -

swampman posted:

congratulations to panopticon for being the only rhizzone poster who bothers reading the news



my last 2 links in this thread have been a sputnik article and a press release from the OPCW

#1462
Dont Mess With Sucess
Post rating: ~

Panopticon posted:

swampman posted:

congratulations to panopticon for being the only rhizzone poster who bothers reading the news

my last 2 links in this thread have been a sputnik article and a press release from the OPCW

Sorry, I didn't mean the mainstream press, but extremely legitimate magazines

#1463
Post rating: -

Guyovich posted:

those containers can also carry munitions like cluster bombs, and there are cluster bomb caps in the photos



i just think it's funny how some retard making a sick own about me being a nazi gets 3 times as many upvotes as a legitimate and convincing counter-argument

#1464
Post rating: +

Panopticon posted:

swampman posted:

congratulations to panopticon for being the only rhizzone poster who bothers reading the news

my last 2 links in this thread have been a sputnik article and a press release from the OPCW


except it wasn't actually a sputnik article, it was a mystery third party speculating on what might be in a photo published by sputnik

if you're hoping for a receptive audience for your orientalist pro-imperialist nonsense and smug remarks about "tankies", the entire rest of the internet is that-a-way *gestures vaguely towards nearby landfill*

#1465
Dont Mess With Sucess
Post rating: +

Panopticon posted:

i just think it's funny how some retard making a sick own about me being a nazi gets 3 times as many upvotes as a legitimate and convincing counter-argument


because you only show up these days to post weak propaganda and then whine about how nobody respects you as a fellow poster

#1466
Post rating: +
change panopticons name to david YIKES


meanwhile we should follow CNN's approved expert on the conflict, 7 year old Bana


interview here, so compelling
#1467
Post rating: +
good concept. script could be a little tighter and more rehearsal wouldn't hurt but it's already a lot better than snl
#1468
Post rating: +
the incredible amount of child abuse in the jihad against syria, both in terms of the violence (terror groups groups forcing children to behead prisoners, for example) and the propaganda campaign (such as the CNN endorsement of abuse inflicted on bana) would be a worthwhile angle to analyse the conflict with
#1469
Post rating: +
There is a dark mystery behind the White House-released photo showing President Trump and more than a dozen advisers meeting at his estate in Mar-a-Lago after his decision to strike Syria with Tomahawk missiles: Where are CIA Director Mike Pompeo and other top intelligence officials?

Before the photo was released on Friday, a source told me that Pompeo had personally briefed Trump on April 6 about the CIA’s belief that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was likely not responsible for the lethal poison-gas incident in northern Syria two days earlier — and thus Pompeo was excluded from the larger meeting as Trump reached a contrary decision.

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/08/where-was-cias-pompeo-on-syria/


this loon is taking Empire to the brink of war with a nuclear power because he wants to bomb syria on behalf of isis & alqaeda.
4 more years of this shit, if we live that long

the article finishes with
If so, such a dangerous deception more than anything else we’ve seen in the first two-plus months of the Trump administration would be grounds for impeachment – ignoring the opinion of the U.S. intelligence community so the President could carry out a politically popular (albeit illegal) missile strike that killed Syrians.

good thing the US #resistance has bled so much energy into the endless 'russian-puppet' campaign to hobble actions like that
#1470
Post rating: +

Panopticon posted:

Guyovich posted:

those containers can also carry munitions like cluster bombs, and there are cluster bomb caps in the photos

i just think it's funny how some retard



#1471
UNUSUALY COOL
Post rating: ~

Panopticon posted:

i just think it's funny how some retard making a sick own about me being a nazi gets 3 times as many upvotes as a legitimate and convincing counter-argument



no you don't, you're rightly dismayed because you posted a dubious claim and the person you copied it from admitted they were wrong. as everyone else is saying your critique would be engaged with more respect if you still posted anything other than what keeps getting you owned.

#1472
[account deactivated]
#1473
Post rating: ~

xipe posted:

a lebanese law professor pointed this out:

This is very important: the ICRC just changed the conflict status in Syria from "internal armed conflict" or civil war (common Article 3 conflict in Geneva Conventions) to "international armed conflict" (common Article 2 conflict). The ICRC is considered the "guardian" of the Geneva Conventions and its commentaries are considered a key source of International Law so this labelling is very significant. Following the US attack on Syria, the ICRC spokesperson declared "Any military operation by a state on the territory of another without the consent of the other amounts to an international armed conflict." As a standard for comparison, Libya was immediately classified as an internal conflict.

I am no expert but I do teach a grad course on the Law of Armed Conflict so here are my preliminary thoughts about the political and legal implications of this: (1) the body of law regulating article 2 conflicts is much wider than article 3 conflicts, affording the Syrian government legal protections it didn't previously enjoy (2) the forces of the Syrian Arab Army will now be treated not only as "lawful combatants" but are also given the "combatant's privilege", "prisoner of war" and "protected persons" status and rights, meaning they can't be tried if they are captured for taking part in hostilities, unlike the rebels who are "unlawful combatants" --even the US-backed ones--as per Article 3 internal conflicts.

This lawful status did not extend to the Taliban's army when it still represented the Afghan state fighting an Article 2 conflict with US invading forces (3) as a "High Contracting Party" to the Conventions, the US is now liable for war crimes too (4) any Syrian response to the US attack, or one carried out by Syria and its allies, (Article 51 of the UN Charter permits "collective self-defense") is now legal (5) most importantly, the Syrian state is politically legitimized as the legal representative of the Syrian people and its sovereignty recognized.


Does Syria still have the NATO officers they captured a few months ago? This changes things for them at least.

#1474
Post rating: +

xipe posted:

the incredible amount of child abuse in the jihad against syria, both in terms of the violence (terror groups groups forcing children to behead prisoners, for example) and the propaganda campaign (such as the CNN endorsement of abuse inflicted on bana) would be a worthwhile angle to analyse the conflict with




this is a really good idea. the use of children as propaganda objects by the west really seems to have matured in the syrian conflict. it seems to coincide perfectly with the current state of media distribution platforms in which these sort of humanitarian memes have gained a lot of currency among liberals who generally don't pay attention to foreign affairs even when they are told to

the children of aleppo etc

#1475
Post rating: +++++

aerdil posted:

Panopticon posted:

Guyovich posted:

those containers can also carry munitions like cluster bombs, and there are cluster bomb caps in the photos

i just think it's funny how some retard


someone photoshop quotations from chairman mao tse-tung onto this

#1476
Post rating: +++++
#1477
Post rating: +

insta_gramsci posted:

xipe posted:

the incredible amount of child abuse in the jihad against syria, both in terms of the violence (terror groups groups forcing children to behead prisoners, for example) and the propaganda campaign (such as the CNN endorsement of abuse inflicted on bana) would be a worthwhile angle to analyse the conflict with

this is a really good idea. the use of children as propaganda objects by the west really seems to have matured in the syrian conflict. it seems to coincide perfectly with the current state of media distribution platforms in which these sort of humanitarian memes have gained a lot of currency among liberals who generally don't pay attention to foreign affairs even when they are told to

the children of aleppo etc



Here's a couple of interviews with real syrian and Yemeni children expressing themselves.



https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154747984122800&id=751412799


By contrast look at what these monsters are making bana do:



Another incident that springs to mind is terrorists propping a confused child into an ambulance as a prop and hordes of photographers taking pictures.

The photographer who got the best shot won some photo of 2016 for it; he coincidentally takes selfies with men who behead children.

The cnn presenter broke down in tears in camera when she first showed the photo.
A few years earlier she blamed the kids killed in gaza by Israel for making themselves voluntary human shields
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=3&x_outlet=14&x_article=2767

One way of categorising some of this is with a hash tag so it can be pulled together later.

For example after the jimmy Savile inquiry in Britain #opdeatheaters was used, and has been applied to the Israeli war on Palestinian children.

Another aspect of the abuse is jihadi cubs phenomenon.
1/3 isis suicide bombers in March were children, mostly yezidi kids who they had kidnapped.
I don't know whether or not the moderate terrorists use and abuse of children has reached that level tho

#1478
Online
Post rating: ~

xipe posted:

There is a dark mystery behind the White House-released photo showing President Trump and more than a dozen advisers meeting at his estate in Mar-a-Lago after his decision to strike Syria with Tomahawk missiles: Where are CIA Director Mike Pompeo and other top intelligence officials?

Before the photo was released on Friday, a source told me that Pompeo had personally briefed Trump on April 6 about the CIA’s belief that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was likely not responsible for the lethal poison-gas incident in northern Syria two days earlier — and thus Pompeo was excluded from the larger meeting as Trump reached a contrary decision.

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/08/where-was-cias-pompeo-on-syria/this loon is taking Empire to the brink of war with a nuclear power because he wants to bomb syria on behalf of isis & alqaeda.
4 more years of this shit, if we live that long


Hmmm this guy has a CIA inside source? I don't know.

#1479
Post rating: +
Well he has been correctly uncovering deep state shid since 1980 so I assume he's built up some contacts.

His story in his own words is here, note they have a bunch of ex cia guys writing for them

https://consortiumnews.com/about/


Lol make a guess who criticises him tho...

Unfortunately for Parry, his accusation is entirely unfounded, and reveals his lack of investigative skill when it comes to this kind of open source information. Had Parry spent a few minutes on Google he could have easily found Bellingcat’s work on the video, and realised his error.
#1480
Post rating: +
Guess which rhizome favorite this critic is, no googling

Robert Parry is part of a cadre of investigative journalists who have put themselves at the disposal of the Kremlin on the matters of Syria and/or Ukraine. Like Walter Duranty who justified Stalin’s policies to NY Times readers in the 1930s, we see Parry, Seymour Hersh and Robert Fisk using journalistic tricks of the trade to make Putin seem like an innocent victim of a worldwide conspiracy involving the CIA, NATO, George Soros-type NGO’s, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, NY Times op-ed writers, and other miscreants