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Looked up de Sade for the first time just now, libertinism sounds stupid. My point is organicism.

Anti-prostitution not pro-marital rape. For instance, prostitution would never have happened if womens needs were recognized as fundamental to society. Shelter, food etc.

We gain nothing by holding up bodily autonomy, what's the point of arguing whether a woman should have the right to sell sex? It's obviously wrong.

Just like everything else your individual judgments are meaningless. Where it matters to the social whole society should decide. It's also true that your desires and wishes are shaped by society in the first place, so they should be shaped to maximize your own flourishing such that you don't make bad decisions because there are correct decisions when it comes to human happiness, we are just animals.

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#242
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i get owned by the society quite often
#243
Dont Mess With Sucess
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bumpthread posted:

We gain nothing by holding up bodily autonomy, what's the point of arguing whether a woman should have the right to sell sex? It's obviously wrong.

What's obviously wrong is for a man to purchase sex. The woman selling sex isn't breaking any ethical code or responsibility to society. Fuck off Mike Huckabee.

#244
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Women have the "right" to do whatever alleviates oppression. Selling sex, killing men, going on reproductive strike, rioting, all number of things that are "destructive" to society, if it's a tool against oppression it's justified. The very idea of "society" is a sickness here, you need to think about the oppressed masses rather than hitherto existing society, thanks
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bumpthread posted:

This is literally impossible to refute.


#246
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bumpthread posted:

we are just animals.


no we're not, why do people say this? what does it even mean? what do you mean by this?

#247
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the reason that humans do a certain thing is because they are within the taxonomic clade animalia, a grouping of multicellular eukaryotic organisisms difering from the other clades in that they form and grow from a hollow sphere of cells, the blastula
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swampman posted:

bumpthread posted:

We gain nothing by holding up bodily autonomy, what's the point of arguing whether a woman should have the right to sell sex? It's obviously wrong.

What's obviously wrong is for a man to purchase sex. The woman selling sex isn't breaking any ethical code or responsibility to society. Fuck off Mike Huckabee.



She is by not working.

A defense of prostitution on the grounds that it allows the prostitute to eat is not the same as the liberal defense I'm engaging and you haven't said anything of relevance there.

Are you one of those people who think there will be prostitution under communism? If your answer is no then you agree with me and you can dispense with the outrage.

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tears posted:

bumpthread posted:

we are just animals.

no we're not, why do people say this? what does it even mean? what do you mean by this?


Just means we can be trivially optimized. There is no significant uniqueness.

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tears posted:

the reason that humans do a certain thing is because they are within the taxonomic clade animalia, a grouping of multicellular eukaryotic organisisms difering from the other clades in that they form and grow from a hollow sphere of cells, the blastula



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Za8HggalY

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bumpthread posted:

Just means we can be trivially optimized. There is no significant uniqueness.



if theres one thing you can say about animals, its that they can be trivially optimized

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toyotathon posted:

read marx


Just means we can be trivially optimized. There is no significant uniqueness.

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#255
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bumpthread posted:

swampman posted:

The woman selling sex isn't breaking any ethical code or responsibility to society.

She is by not working.

#256
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this usually doesn't happen, but i don't know whether to laugh or cry :/
#257
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make an argument instead
#258
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Eyyy check out lil Mussolini here. Straight up advocating organicism on a communist message board
#259
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from each according to his heil duce
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hello internet user "bumpthread." I would rather not make this thread any worse than it already is. we need to talk about your posts: they are bad. i'm going to leave the political reeducation to my lovely peers, you and I are going to just focus purely on your writing and why it makes people want to turn off their monitors and go outside. while normally this is a laudable end to posting on the internet, I do not think it is the intended result of your posts. please see me after class here in this special place where you can drop all the nuclear hot truth bombs you like: https://rhizzone.net/forum/topic/14522/?page=1#post-369286
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:O



c-goat ifap judgment: too annoying



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well i guess if theres one thing we can all agree on its that Meghan Elizabeth Wren (September 19, 1984 – April 2, 2016),[3][4] known professionally as Amber Rayne, was an American pornographic actress. She died of an accidental drug overdose in April 2016.

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#263
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dark logical fallacy. user probated until the singularity
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neckwattle posted:

Eyyy check out lil Mussolini here. Straight up advocating organicism on a communist message board


did I write this today? doesn't feel like it.

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wow i missed some fun manure spraying. "miss me with that bull shit" ahemhem. wonder what this chump thinks about abortion and contraception. anyway re: society



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hey bumpthread. so here's what's up. the liberal idea that the collective has close to no claim on the body is certainly philosophically unsound and in any case contradicted by all of liberal history. I think that under communism there is some variant of what you are describing, but this relationship between the body and collective can't be described in terms of a property relation because the notion of property doesn't just get devolved upwards to the state under communism, converting capitalist private conceptions of ownership into collective ones. that is the Fascist misinterpretation of socialism, if you want to see how this conceptual mistake occurs in history look at the aforementioned (don't know who said it, but he had a deep and virile voice) Mussolini in the Italian Communist Party. The conception of "society" as a body that, while sick, nonetheless forms a cohesive unit, both in terms of what we can observe historically in Europe and its antithetical theoretical relationship to the communist understanding that "society" is a dialectical, and contingent, assemblage of bloody contradictions, is Fascism. under communism the collective to which people would owe their bodies is immanently incapable of owning them, and the relationship can develop along other axes than just utility and extraction.

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whichever mod reads this first, ifap bumpthread immediately by Institute recommendation either in this or shriekingviolet's thread in red lobster, ty in advance
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ive not really read this thread or anyone's posts but from skimming it looks like bumpthread was being annoying and/or misogynist so theyve been ifaped. gimme a shout if anyone wants to dispute this ifaping or w/e.
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im glad the mods decided to actually ban a nazi after humoring them for only a few days instead of humoring them for years. slowly but surely, props to the mod squad cgoat in particular
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c_man posted:

im glad the mods decided to actually ban a nazi after humoring them for only a few days instead of humoring them for years. slowly but surely, props to the mod squad cgoat in particular



sometimes im not around for a few days or i just dont really read certain threads so its pretty easy for me to miss stuff. i'd like if we selected an additional new mod, but people can always gimme a shout on twitter if im missing something.

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I didnt want that to come across as snide or whatever, im sincerely pleased
#273
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yeah, there's not a problem with giving them enough rope.
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#275
sOmEwHeRe OvEr ThE rAiNbOw
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OK SO


This whole saga of never ending pro pimp propaganda seems never ending, and while all these well meaning liberals who follow a few college educated upper middle class sex workers who claim that this what is going to make their lives better while over looking the fact that they arent going to do this forever and usually have a 2nd career.

I have seen a lot of discourse from current sex workers on twitter that want decriminalization is they keep on repeating that they dont like their "job" all the time which raises a lot of questions about what is exactly sex work as a job.

One of the most frustrating things is the anti sex buyer/abolitionists organisations seem to just sweep in donations and profit but how are these vast funds actually helping women that drastically want to leave the sex industry but are living in countries illegally and will have no homes. A lot of these state funded exit schemes will usually only help women who are citizens of the country and are sober.

Its just so annoying to see various groups that want to end prostitution spend $200,000 on an ad campaign but aren't assisting women that dont fit a very narrow criteria for them to supposedly help
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Just to clarify that no one is supposed to like their job all the freaking time. But my work history has not made me much more likely to be a murdered missing victim of male violence. Not to mention that If i got assaulted in my current job or any previous jobs I would be much more likely to have a successful report made to the police unlike women involved with the sex industry
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Also I have been trying to list all the male dominated working class industries that I can think of:

Taxi drivers (although the gig sharing economy has somewhat equalised this cause capitalism)
Construction (but the UK has made various attempts to attract more women in the field)
Resturants (very few female chefs but fuking loads of female waitress/bar maids)
Plumbing
Self employed construction roles never seem to have any women
I know a lot more men that are freelance compared to women like....

Ugh its just frustrating to see well educated working class women resorting to sex work to pay rent cause they're not fucking men and arent going to be given the same opportunities as vastly medorice men
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Cuntessa_Markievicz posted:

Also I have been trying to list all the male dominated working class industries that I can think of:

Taxi drivers (although the gig sharing economy has somewhat equalised this cause capitalism)
Construction (but the UK has made various attempts to attract more women in the field)
Resturants (very few female chefs but fuking loads of female waitress/bar maids)
Plumbing
Self employed construction roles never seem to have any women
I know a lot more men that are freelance compared to women like....

Ugh its just frustrating to see well educated working class women resorting to sex work to pay rent cause they're not fucking men and arent going to be given the same opportunities as vastly medorice men



landscaping and pretty much any sort of van or truck driving seems to be overwhelmingly male dominated. Mechanics too. I imagine the overwhelming majority of working class jobs for women come in retail and service, which are quite troublingly starting to be heteromated at a very rapid pace--self checkout, ordering online, ipads in restaurants to take your order, etc etc.

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When I did landscaping my boss was a rad lady but she was definitely a rarity in the business.

A big one is any kind of major resource extraction, particularly those that involve isolated fly in fly out work camps (which are hell on everyone) oil, mining, lumber.

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A bunch of restaurants' waiters are now forced to defer to a tablet PC on the table. It's also used to rate customer satisfaction with the waiter, whether or not a dissatisfied customer is dissatisfied over something their waiter could control. Each customer response survey gets instantly aggregated into a score that managers use to decide who gets hours, gets fired, etc., and often everyone's rating is projected on a screen somewhere, so every employee can see it

There was an article on the topic recently, where a waiter said that a common thing now is for customers to use the comments field in the satisfaction survey to leave sexually suggestive compliments or insults about the women waiting their tables

Comments on women's looks were probably common enough on pencil-and-paper comment cards, but now the instant feedback technology allows for nightly meetings on how the customers rated everyone. So, the woman in the article explains, her managers use those nightly meetings as an opportunity to bring those sorts of comments up on the screen, so everyone there can see them and discuss them in terms of the waiter's performance as an employee. Big laughs all around, under capitalism