tpaine posted:

Maybe it's me. Maybe it's me. Maybe it's me. Maybe it's me. Maybe it's me. But Everything I've Seen From Mr. Show Has Sucked.

chickeon posted:

dark souls is the opposite of pornography in that it's insanely good. maybe if folks stopped pullin the dingus and read more lenin and played osme dark souls

dark souls is exactly the same as pornography in that im tired of people talking about it.

drwhat posted:

i wish there was a better front paging system other than 'cat man presses the button' (actually arcane series of buttons), i feel like some shitty gatekeeper. anyway i'm gonna put this on the front page too.

i tried but i'm dumb and incompetent and gave up.

xipe posted:

yeah they are all over twitter and it does seem like a good job for them and they have set up or joined all sorts of progressive organisations to lobby liberalising sex work (specifically the decriminalising johns and pimps part)

women who are trafficked or perform sex work due to poverty or addiction are waved away by saying 'its better than working at tesco' or some such

the only women who get to perform the mythical "good sex work" are already wealthy, white, educated, have support networks, have legal recourse against abuse. of course these are the same women who get a prominent voice to talk about their experiences without fear. marginalized women compelled into sex work by need have none of those advantages and will never, ever accidentally stumble into the fantasy kingdom of good sex work that the industry wants us to believe in. its just horror and abuse all the way down, the two different worlds never intersect.

the pornography industry's campaign for legitimacy and normalcy (why are porn sites april fools gags such a hot topic? who gives a shit?) along with the co-opting of feminism to cheerlead abuse has been extremely aggressive and has the backing of in vogue circles in academia and of course the media. i suspect a little digging would reveal a funding/favors/exclusion campaign similar to the one that tried (and frequently succeeded) to schism feminism away from race and class consciousness and activism back in the 60s/70s. of course the final logic of that would be to schism feminism away from feminist consciousness and activism.

obviously we're all diligently working on the destruction of capitalism, but in the meantime concrete suggestions for contemporary measures should be modeled on what material evidence has shown to reduce actual violence against women in other sex work: don't criminalize the sex worker, emphasize the criminalization of pimps and johns. eliminate the asinine exception state for the presence of cameras and porn producers are just organized pimps and johns with infrastructure, and should face harsher punishment as a result.

tpaine posted:

can we just all agree that fuck and destroy was bad but it's no reason to keep dragging his name through the mud

*huging you witth a bear grip, i demand in the whisper of 1000 christen bales,* you gotta get out of florida before your go crazy bro

Urbandale posted:

In my area sex worker activists largely focus on criminalizing human trafficking. In fact CA passed the CASE Act a few years ago, carrying stiffer penalties for human trafficking, and adding human trafficking, pimping and pandering to the last of crimes that can be used as gang enhancements. So I hope you don't split your rent with a sex worker.

insert patriarchal coercive marriage joke here

chickeon posted:

dark souls is the opposite of pornography in that it's insanely good. maybe if folks stopped pullin the dingus and read more lenin and played osme dark souls

3 days to go til i retreat from society to own people by appliying the science of ML to invading and beating the shit out of scrubs

Urbandale posted:

It should be decriminalized probably due to our current nightmare of social relations but fuck johns

Yeah this is probably about as far as I feel can be reasonably said given the material conditions of society.

Yes, most women turning to sex work are high risk and abused. No the women should not be punished for it because in bourgeois society, they very likely have no other choice. That doesn't make the sex industry OK because it's helping impoverished women, it's just another condemnation of bourgeois patriarchy for creating the conditions of poverty and hopelessness which leave the women no choice but to trade risk and abuse and long term psychological and physical damage for the ability to have food and shelter.

I also think one major reason the discussion will always be awkward here at tHE r H i z z o n E is because ultimately the debate on the internet forum of the legality of porn and prostitution will essentially include an element where a bunch of dudes are discussing what is or isnt ok for women to do with their bodies. And at least here, the almost entirely male population of the board is smart enough to both realize that, and to know that's probably not the input or perspective most necessary or likely to solve the problem.

So basically, smash capitalism, shoot every pimp in the face, and uhhh...hopefully that at least changes the dynamics of our social relations enough to let someone better equipped come up with an answer to the rest of the problem? I mean that's kinda the default answer to every social ill I can think of but I guess it's probably at least a good start.

Petrol posted:

Mr show is bad.

This isnt a democracy chump.. its my life