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glomper_stomper posted:

Petrol posted:

Stewart lee is the best because he undermines and exposes to ridicule the very premise of standup, which is terrible garbage

The main thing that makes standup so terrible is its inherent valorisation of wallowing in the worst excesses of individualism (which stewart lee also ridicules). Gee i wonder why so many famous comedians turn out to be drug addict sex predators

i liked him because of this but i also had some reservations with regard to his standup so often resembling a guardian editorial being read to me out loud, punctuated by laughter


That's fair but I give him credit for mocking himself for that. Also ive only read his actual guardian columns occasionally and, humor aside, they have the distinction of being the only decent opinions published by the guardian

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also the present day unacceptability of jokes about fag rats
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the only things i know w/ stewart lee are time trumpet and his thing about top gear and those are both pretty excellent
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Petrol posted:

The main thing that makes standup so terrible is its inherent valorisation of wallowing in the worst excesses of individualism


i see it as basically being a process of really aggressively turning yourself into a brand, similar to music, finance/business, punditry, academia, etc which are also coincidentally are all also full of sociopaths

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glomper_stomper posted:

Petrol posted:

That's fair but I give him credit for mocking himself for that. Also ive only read his actual guardian columns occasionally and, humor aside, they have the distinction of being the only decent opinions published by the guardian

i haven't watched comedy vehicle since series 2 so maybe i'll give it a try


series 3 is excellent, my fave series. series 4 is airing at the moment and it's also great, even more meta than usual which is saying something, and includes a solid half hour on jeremy corbyn and cat diarrhea

also, i think the chris morris interrogations in s3&4 are great but i'm biased because i have an unhealthy obsession with chris morris
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Petrol posted:

Stewart lee is the best because he undermines and exposes to ridicule the very premise of standup, which is terrible garbage

The main thing that makes standup so terrible is its inherent valorisation of wallowing in the worst excesses of individualism (which stewart lee also ridicules). Gee i wonder why so many famous comedians turn out to be drug addict sex predators



is improv the polar opposite of standup, and if so does it prove horseshoe theory correct

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Statically, standup has fewer sex criminal addicts than the web forum "rhizzone"
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Den of schizophrenia: this art seems problematic to me. Bring me another dead child picture to put next to some whine words about Syria or something.
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i care about makeing my FRIENDS laugh.......not some dumb audience!!!!
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I miss the Armando Iannucci interviews in comedy vehicle tbh
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glad we at the rhizzone, a comedy marxist forum in which saying fail aids is both funny and acceptable, has decided that comedians are bunk
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Keven posted:

Statically, standup has fewer sex criminal addicts than the web forum "rhizzone"


being a criminal is cool

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EmanuelaBrolandi posted:

I miss the Armando Iannucci interviews in comedy vehicle tbh


i love armando and i would even say they were funnier. i just unhealthily cherish chris morris.
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thirdplace posted:

not to imply that carlin wasn't ultimately pretty reactionary, but how many of the committed marxists here ever got j edgar hoover that salty

"concerning the appearance of one George Carlin, an alleged comedian" lol


what the heck makes carlin reactionary?

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every few months i see someone post something on facebook about how george carlin was a horrible man and usually they post a video of him using crass irony which they take at face value. like carlin will be like "we should execute people on live TV" and they'll be like... carlin supporting the death penalty is beyond the pale.

although to prove i'm not better than them: i turned off season 3 of stewart lee's show because i didn't understand that he was joking about piracy. i rewatched it a few weeks ago and i was like what the hell was i thinking.
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but he was right, we should execute people on live tv *glances at shroendingers box that contains a superposition of the existence and non-existence of le troll face*
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john mccain owns and louis ck is a typical new york neoliberal elitist posing as a scrub everyman
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RIP patrice lumumba o'neal
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icecrystal posted:

what the heck makes carlin reactionary?

making a living out of talking about how shitty people are i guess? i feel like there was plenty of "pc gone wild" and "harden up because no one cares" mixed into his shit too. maybe i'm wrong, don't want to argue about it because he was funny either way

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I don't think Carlin is reactionary. I think the medium of stand-up comedy itself tends to foment reactionary viewpoints though.

It's a lot easier to make fun of things that go against the status quo, than things that don't. That's just the way comedy works, and most of the time it's one guy on stage just recycling bits that work.
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i like iannucci and someone was telling me to watch veep but i am immediately suspicious of anything with tina fey in it
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tsinava posted:

I don't think Carlin is reactionary. I think the medium of stand-up comedy itself tends to foment reactionary viewpoints though.

It's a lot easier to make fun of things that go against the status quo, than things that don't. That's just the way comedy works, and most of the time it's one guy on stage just recycling bits that work.

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"What's the DEAL with airline food?" - A reactionary.
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Yeah if you've seen the thick of it Veep sux.

I saw Carlin live w my dad when I was like 15. He ruled. A couple yrs before my dad had taken me to see Penn and Teller so as far as politics and my dad's taste in comedy goes.. Well...

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The shit about putting all the criminals in Iowa to Duke it out is solid MLM imo
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comedy is a bourgeois form of entertainment which can lend itself to proletarian subversion. which means that socialists should have their own stand up comedians and socialist humor but of course it will become unnecessary under socialism and all comedians will become workers
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c_man posted:

i like iannucci and someone was telling me to watch veep but i am immediately suspicious of anything with tina fey in it



im not sure if thats just a joke or not but tina fey isnt in it seinfeld chick is lol

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babyhueypnewton posted:

comedy is a bourgeois form of entertainment which can lend itself to proletarian subversion. which means that socialists should have their own stand up comedians and socialist humor but of course it will become unnecessary under socialism and all comedians will become workers


Take the Fourth International, please!

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lol at any meaningful differences between famous people on television worth the effort of perceiving them
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you can't tell a fratzenjammer matrix from a mark vi sprucer inducer but you stared at two fungible lumps of media commodity known as Tina Fey and Julia Louis Dreyfus for long enough to perceive their distinguishing characteristics. that's a lol
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If you post on rhizzone without an encyclopedic knowledge of the cast of SNL from 1975-2004 then I don't even fucking know anymore.
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aerdil posted:

im not sure if thats just a joke or not but tina fey isnt in it seinfeld chick is lol


i had legit forgotten. that sounds...marginally better?

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comedy was an important part of soviet life. in the 1920s, innovative socialist theatre troupes would play all over in neighbourhoods in communities and workplaces.
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could early collectivization efforts succeeded in china without rural party supporters ridiculing their former elites with mean jokes?