discipline posted:in egypt there is nearly zero racism - you can find an egyptian who looks like a sub saharan african and an egyptian with blonde hair and blue eyes and they will marry each other and have babies and it's totally normal but why am I telling you this when you're an idiot
Woah miscegenation, the true barometer as to whether racism exists in a society or not. Maybe the Nazi hellhole of Canada could learn something from 18th century Spanish colonialism and just have babies between the different races, thereby proving that no one is racist.
http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/features/2015/7/23/being-black-in-egypt
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/07/201371817106275826.html
http://www.cairoscene.com/LifeStyle/The-Reality-of-Racism-in-Egypt
https://atlantablackstar.com/2015/10/16/8-disturbing-things-know-black-modern-day-egypt/
Just because you identify with them and their victimhood and don't like the culture/race which you were brought up in because you feel guilty for benefiting from the crimes they have committed doesn't give you license to ignore reality, especially when by doing so you undermine the struggles that are actively going on in other parts of the world specifically against the people and ideologies you worship. I assume you're familiar with the savagery of the Arab slave trade which is why it's so unbelievable that you'd make a statement like "There is nearly 0 racism in Egypt". How should any person familiar with the current social situation in the Middle East, the historical facts and the legacy of racism that still in part defines relationships between Arab nations and Sub-Saharan nations to this day, take a statement like that as anything but that you are looking at the world through magical glasses where Muslims are always nice.
That's not realistic and it's certainly not Marxist, it's purely Us vs Them. Your heretical version of Islamo-Marxism is not the solution and Canada is certainly not the problem with the world today and pretending that this is so marks you as childishly unhinged. I can't believe that I'm living in a world where a person can walk down the street and scream Nazi at a "rando" and then get upset that he didn't react, really pushing the revolution forward there huh? What kind of reaction were you looking for, genocide? What would have been the appropriate response from John Doe, random Nazi streetwalker in Canada? If it makes you feel morally superior to the guy because you rejected your culture and recognize the crimes committed by your 'nation' and 'people' then that's great, you're not wrong. Where you become wrong is when you take it to the next step where any member of the Anglo world who hasn't written the same Bildungsroman as you isn't worth the effort of human decency. You've chosen a very specific little nation of moral philosophy to mark out as the Promised Land but I'm not sure how strong the grounds are for Tarynism being the one, true religion.
a better argument would be that this represents a trickle down effect from the white supremacy that sits at the top of the global order and that singling out "Arab supremacy" as being unique could be used to justify further imperialism. i mean, King Leopold used the "arab slave traders" thing to justify his own enslavement and genocide against the subjects of his Congo Free State. i think we can acknowledge anti-black sentiment in places like Egypt while recognizing that it's ultimately the result of Western imperialism & the ongoing sabotage of anti-racist progressive movements.
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FSAD posted:Imagine how great the posts would be if you lived in an unrepentantly racist country like Egypt, India, China or Russia where people of different races are literally loathed and feared openly rather than passive-aggressively marched around while protected by the force of the government, except of course people of different races generally don't choose to live there (like they'd even be allowed to do so if they wanted!)
those places may not be anti-racist utopias but, uh, this is an incredibly shitty attempt to divert attention from racism in white First World countries that, incidentally, impose the global situation that results in racism within the Third World.
FSAD posted:savagery of the Arab slave trade
laughable Xhosa girl
FSAD posted:I think that's a tough order to make and it's better to recognize that there are multiple competing imperialisms in the world and that Arab imperialism was just as potent and long-standing in Africa as European and that if the Europeans had disappeared from the earth in the year 1500 there would still be anti-black racism in the Islamic world. Stuff like color-based racism isn't just people trying to live up to some ideal of European beauty, it's internally class based and in many cases existed long before Europeans had noticeable effects on those societies. European imperialism came out on top and that gave it a lot of power to disseminate its own idiosyncrasies but it's silly to draw a pyramid where European racism is the cause of all these problems. I mean looking to the treatment of minorities by ISIS and I see a lot more that comes from Islamic tradition than Klan activity in Canada or whatever.
wow, it's almost as if the Western-based global ruling class takes advantage of already existing bigotries within Third World societies and amplifies them for use by compradors and contras while preventing the rise of a genuinely egalitarian system that recognizes the brotherhood of all mankind?
HenryKrinkle posted:there's quite a bit of anti-black racism in a lot of North African countries, just as there is all over the globe.
a better argument would be that this represents a trickle down effect from the white supremacy that sits at the top of the global order and that singling out "Arab supremacy" as being unique could be used to justify further imperialism. i mean, King Leopold used the "arab slave traders" thing to justify his own enslavement and genocide against the subjects of his Congo Free State. i think we can acknowledge anti-black sentiment in places like Egypt while recognizing that it's ultimately the result of Western imperialism & the ongoing sabotage of anti-racist progressive movements.
A better argument would be to ban the nazi and then shoot him.
littlegreenpills posted:FSAD posted:
we are living through the largest ever transfer of wealth directly away from the industrialized world to the developing world
lol nope
When was capital being more heavily invested in the developing world than today? When since the dawn of industrialization has the shift in wealth towards the developing world been proceeding at a quicker pace?
http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2013/05/15/developing-countries-to-dominate-global-saving-and-investment-but-the-poor-will-not-necessarily-share-the-benefits-says-report
Crow posted:A better argument would be to ban the nazi and then shoot him.
Tough words from a real revolutionary who fought the global order from deep inside the occupied Khalifate
FSAD posted:When was capital being more heavily invested in the developing world than today? When since the dawn of industrialization has the shift in wealth towards the developing world been proceeding at a quicker pace?
http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2013/05/15/developing-countries-to-dominate-global-saving-and-investment-but-the-poor-will-not-necessarily-share-the-benefits-says-report
foreign investment generally leads to a flow of profits out of the country, not into it
tpaine posted:uh, it's called rape??
welcome to Yale
FSAD posted:If you're talking specifically about foreign direct investment you'd be correct but it still represents a transfer of wealth away from the industrialized world to the developing world, even if the profits for the investing entity itself are greater. There's still more than ever non-direct foreign investment going on as investors buy non-controlling interest in foreign companies... what is that except a direct transfer of capital to developing economies when it could have been invested in companies in the developed world?
what you're describing is the dissolution of the latter 20th century social-democratic compromise. its a transfer of capital, enriching a small layer of property owners and providing an impetus towards the development of industrial production. this enriches the local property owners as well as the foreign capitalists at the expense of the less-and-less well off working/middle classes in the imperial code. unless you take reagan at his word this isn't particularly good for anyone but the property owners as first world non-capitalists lose the protections they had before and the workers in the newly open for exploitation global south lose the traditional means they had of supporting themselves and are cast into dependency on the international market
c_man posted:what you're describing is the dissolution of the latter 20th century social-democratic compromise. its a transfer of capital, enriching a small layer of property owners and providing an impetus towards the development of industrial production. this enriches the local property owners as well as the foreign capitalists at the expense of the less-and-less well off working/middle classes in the imperial code. unless you take reagan at his word this isn't particularly good for anyone but the property owners as first world non-capitalists lose the protections they had before and the workers in the newly open for exploitation global south lose the traditional means they had of supporting themselves and are cast into dependency on the international market
Describing it more accurately doesn't distract from the fact, capitalism is intent on fully exploiting what were previously underdeveloped regions and the way it's doing that at the moment is through wealth transfer to the developing world. I completely agree with what you're saying and the point I am making is that this is hardly indicative of some kind of white power pride march on the part of western capital. Where they exploit internal differences (like racism or conflict in other nations) it's with the intent of achieving control over capital with less expenditure of resources.But that doesn't mean we should remove the ability of non-western actors to accomplish their own goals which might very well be non-economic or only tangentially related to economics. Obviously everything can be tied in some way back to economics, but when we analyze say, racism in the Arab world today, it makes a lot more sense to analyze it through the lens of a thousand years of independent exploitation of African societies than it does CIA plots to introduce racism into previously non-racist societies in order to keep them from overthrowing the western world order which is based on white racial supremacy.
thirdplace posted:that was a cool book
Did you... read mars too?
discipline posted:in egypt there is nearly zero racism - you can find an egyptian who looks like a sub saharan african and an egyptian with blonde hair and blue eyes and they will marry each other and have babies and it's totally normal but why am I telling you this when you're an idiot
that was not the experience of my sudanese friend who was there for a few years as a young girl and now has ayaan hirst ali attitude towards arabs and muslims.
she would probably be open to having her mind changed if there are any suggested reading materials
FSAD posted:lol the Rhizzone, where the Arab slave trade was somehow morally superior to the European and the only thing stopping Serbs and Yemenis and Chinese and everyone else in the world from joining hands to sing kumbaya is the CIA-Klan Axis
presumably the roman slave trade would be more comparable to the arab one, with the later european colonial slave trade being a bigger scale due capitalism.
thats how i think about it anyway
FSAD posted:Describing it more accurately doesn't distract from the fact, capitalism is intent on fully exploiting what were previously underdeveloped regions and the way it's doing that at the moment is through wealth transfer to the developing world. I completely agree with what you're saying and the point I am making is that this is hardly indicative of some kind of white power pride march on the part of western capital. Where they exploit internal differences (like racism or conflict in other nations) it's with the intent of achieving control over capital with less expenditure of resources.But that doesn't mean we should remove the ability of non-western actors to accomplish their own goals which might very well be non-economic or only tangentially related to economics. Obviously everything can be tied in some way back to economics, but when we analyze say, racism in the Arab world today, it makes a lot more sense to analyze it through the lens of a thousand years of independent exploitation of African societies than it does CIA plots to introduce racism into previously non-racist societies in order to keep them from overthrowing the western world order which is based on white racial supremacy.
talking about "wealth transfer" is misleading without being specific about who the wealth is transferred to and under what conditions