#681
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I literally went through this process when I first moved here to Montreal, and eventually ended up with the same conclusion. And a new friend offered to take me shooting when he goes with his mates. Out on private land, bam!
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Gibbonstrength posted:

Petrol posted:

Gibbonstrength posted:

who knows about aus orgs. im considering joining the socialist alliance. they look terrible

SAlt actually seem extremely good if you are a university student, you hate yourself, and hope never to achieve anything.

I thought socialist alternative were trots

socialist alternative are trots, socialist equality party are trots, socialist alliance are multiple tendency or whatever, but i think in reality they'd be mostly democratic socialist types. idk

#683
Mike Nelson here.
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the communist party of canada is sort of an odd duck. internationally they just support whatever other communist parties are doing. so pro-china, pro-cuba, pro-ANC SA, etc.domestically their whole thing is trying to build an 'anti-monopoly coalition'. they want a "people's parliament" which would be a mix of communist MPs and other progressive parties. the only big difference from CPUSA is that they run their own limited campaigns at the federal and provincial levels. in quebec they are members of quebec solidaire.

i don't really understand what their strategy is, though. i mean when they run candidates in english canada they basically get the same number of votes as any independent candidate gets just for having their name on the ballot. the party members i've met are either young people who support the party because of the name, like new fans of communism, or old people who support it because they've been members since the 1980s or something.

there's another party (CPCML) which is more hoxhaist but in the 1990s their leader guy decided that cuba and north korea weren't revisionist anymore. they are really weird though. one of their main slogans is something like "Our Future Lies in the Defence of the Rights of All". their papers are unreadable (and i like socialist papers) because they use this very precise code language developed by their now-long-deceased leader. for example, one of their slogans is "No Election without Selection", which probably means nothing to the average person. what they mean though is that mass organizations should select the slate of candidates like they do in cuba. but they are never very clear about that.
#684
chickeon
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CPCML is funny and cool i was gonna join, never read any of that stuff though sounds great
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Gibbonstrength posted:

Petrol posted:

Gibbonstrength posted:

who knows about aus orgs. im considering joining the socialist alliance. they look terrible

SAlt actually seem extremely good if you are a university student, you hate yourself, and hope never to achieve anything.

I thought socialist alternative were trots


isnt that what i said

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http://www.sltrib.com/news/1887194-155/utah-protesters-mess-up-traffic-vow so good lol
#687
Mike Nelson here.
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i was looking at joining the IWW for whatever reasons and it costs like $9 a month. uhh i'd rather buy another few bottles of diet coke a month thanks.
#688
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isnt it proportional to yer earnings
#689
political car tune
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Petrol posted:

isnt it proportional to yer earnings


lol this concept being practiced in every other country besides the united states

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looks like it is actually practised in the US but dues are inexplicably higher??

straya:

Less than $1500 (AU), dues are $4 per month;
Between $1500 - $2000 (AU), dues are $10 per month;
Greater than $2000 (AU), dues are $15 per month.

evil empire:

Minimum Dues = $9.00 (US) per month - if you make less than $2,000.00 (US) per month;
Regular Dues = $18.00 (US) per month - if you make between $2,000.00-$3,500.00 (US) per month;
Maximum Dues = $27.00 (US) per month - if you make more than $3,500.00 (US) per month.


#691
Mike Nelson here.
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i could afford it i just don't care about the wobblies that much.
#692
political car tune
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it's true, your statement triggered me into a kneejerk reaction. i veered in general sentiment about the concept of proportional earnings being generally abhorred in the U.S. please note our outrage at the rich guy who got the $10,000 speeding ticket or whatever
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Occupied Aztlan
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honestly if youre poor or cheap you only need to be current on iww dues if theres a vote coming up youre interested in
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Poronto
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roseweird posted:

getfiscal posted:

i was looking at joining the IWW for whatever reasons and it costs like $9 a month. uhh i'd rather buy another few bottles of diet coke a month thanks.

what do you think about diet coke in a bottle vs diet coke in a can though??? i appreciate the greater volume of the bottle but imo the aluminum flavor and enhanced coldness of the can is unbeatable. please respond asap. -m



there are certain things and qualities of objects where the ability to discern them is more a handicap than a skill

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Mike Nelson here.
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roseweird posted:

what do you think about diet coke in a bottle vs diet coke in a can though??? i appreciate the greater volume of the bottle but imo the aluminum flavor and enhanced coldness of the can is unbeatable. please respond asap. -m

great question. when i was a low-volume drinker i hated bottles, i was all about the tinny flavour. this was for sugar coke, too! but the more worried i got about consuming massive amounts of sugar, but still wanted to drink a lot, i "made the switch" to diet coke and bottles. now they make 710ml bottle 6-pack, which is easy to carry and costs like $2 on sale. now, if you ask me if i prefer the tin, i do, but i also prefer sugar coke, and the companionship of a woman, but beggar's can't be choosers!

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fringus-san, have you ever tried to detox from caffeinated beverages? i have heard it can be a trying ordeal.
#698
Mike Nelson here.
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c_man posted:

fringus-san, have you ever tried to detox from caffeinated beverages? i have heard it can be a trying ordeal.

i take a few weeks off every season to see if i can still feel, and yeah it causes a mind-splitting headache for a few days, but after that i feel fine.

#699
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new posts in the org thread lets see wha... oh.
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#703
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Just joined coke corp lol.
#704
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Update on the ISO in Austin

The march took the streets and blocked traffic, with high energy. But ISO did everything to tame and demoralize it that they could.
-They tried to peace-police me twice. First when I bounced a libertarian who'd grabbed a comrade's hand and camera. Second when I slapped an old racist who showed up to tell us that "Black people are the real racists!". They also tried to do so when I told another libertarian to fuck off.
-While deliberating where to go next, ISO hogged the mic, dragged things out, then went against the majority vote.



when police threatened arrests for blocking the main highway the ISO took lead in disbanding the protest. Good shit

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Occupied Aztlan
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sounds about standard from my interactions with the org.
#706
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that type of shit was rampant in nyc the other night with the marches following the Eric Garner grand jury decision. literally had people human-mic "THEY'RE CLOSING OFF THE BRIDGE. DO NOT GET ON THE BRIDGE" even though nothing close to that was being done yet on the Brooklyn bridge and the city just got done with a suit that ended with a judgment against them for pulling off the mass arrests from the Occupy march. these are the same people who think annoyed commuters are what's going to break the back of popular sympathy for a mass movement lol
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so glad theres no iso in salt lake
#708
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Crow posted:

Update on the ISO in Austin

The march took the streets and blocked traffic, with high energy. But ISO did everything to tame and demoralize it that they could.
-They tried to peace-police me twice. First when I bounced a libertarian who'd grabbed a comrade's hand and camera. Second when I slapped an old racist who showed up to tell us that "Black people are the real racists!". They also tried to do so when I told another libertarian to fuck off.
-While deliberating where to go next, ISO hogged the mic, dragged things out, then went against the majority vote.



when police threatened arrests for blocking the main highway the ISO took lead in disbanding the protest. Good shit


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we marched through temple square chanting 'black lives matter' i attempted to start a 'lamanite lives matter' chant but it didnt take
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UNUSUALY COOL
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one time i organized at a small school and iso had someone come to that school for the first time ever in the history of the school, to tell us that they should be put in charge of the action. we pretty much dared them to raise a turnout in the town and they completely failed, because everyone except me and like five other people were anarchists. thats my story about the iso.
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.iso
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daddyholes posted:

because everyone except me and like five other people were anarchists


Where was this? Oakland? I mean that sounds like a good party.

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UNUSUALY COOL
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it was pretty cool. there was a lot of good music and art and everyone was a good vegetarian or vegan cook. then all their spots and squats got eliminated by developers. this was sort of gentrification, but sort of not, because all the non-whites and service workers had been priced out years ago and most of the anarchist kids were from white-collar or bourgeois backgrounds and chose to crowd semi-cheap territory and scavenge food from dumpsters because the personal is political. i'm not going to tell you the name of the neighborhood or town because i don't do that here and i'd encourage you not to ask that question here if the information isn't offered.
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cops around here are so mickey mouse. an organizer for an event in ogden got a call from the police department informing her that they would need to have a permit to hold the protest lmfao. out of the blue.
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Oh I thought you meant like a big geographic area. Like a well known city or something. But yeah if you're reticent on sharing, no worries.
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I'm thinking about proposing to this local socialist group that is made up of frso people and liberals and a cpusa dude, that we start a newspaper. monthly. with a calender for shit coming up and some sort of 'investigative' piece alongside traditional editorializing about how shitty the latest thing the attorney general did is. and then some sort of 'history' or theory article, like, here's why small business is bad, and then we explain the marxian theory of capital. or something. I want to make sure that this is a good idea and not me just trying to live out my fantasies of working on a newspaper that ive harbored since college. i also have no interest in producing a jacobin style DSA thinkpiece aggregator or a rote party rag like frso's thing. which serves a purpose dont get me wrong. does this seem like something that could possibly be of service to real shit or does it seem like vanity.

the plan would be to distribute it first in the obvious locations, coffee houses in salt lake and the main college campuses. but i would like to expand distribution to non-obvious areas like suburbs and places not in close proximity to large bodies of students. thats where an actual physical paper can be of some use i think. in places where nobody would ever look for that sort of thing of their own volition.
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Kurdt
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this local socialist group that is made up of frso people and liberals and a cpusa dude

catchphrase

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I think something like that could be useful for establishing a discourse toehold in a community where you're openly active if you can manage to reign in inaccessible language. We all know what jargony marxist garbagespeak looks like and there is no way in hell anyone is going to read any of that shit.
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Toronto
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stegosaurus posted:

I'm thinking about proposing to this local socialist group that is made up of frso people and liberals and a cpusa dude, that we start a newspaper. monthly. with a calender for shit coming up and some sort of 'investigative' piece alongside traditional editorializing about how shitty the latest thing the attorney general did is. and then some sort of 'history' or theory article, like, here's why small business is bad, and then we explain the marxian theory of capital. or something. I want to make sure that this is a good idea and not me just trying to live out my fantasies of working on a newspaper that ive harbored since college. i also have no interest in producing a jacobin style DSA thinkpiece aggregator or a rote party rag like frso's thing. which serves a purpose dont get me wrong. does this seem like something that could possibly be of service to real shit or does it seem like vanity.

the plan would be to distribute it first in the obvious locations, coffee houses in salt lake and the main college campuses. but i would like to expand distribution to non-obvious areas like suburbs and places not in close proximity to large bodies of students. thats where an actual physical paper can be of some use i think. in places where nobody would ever look for that sort of thing of their own volition.




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UNUSUALY COOL
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stegosaurus posted:

I'm thinking about proposing to this local socialist group that is made up of frso people and liberals and a cpusa dude, that we start a newspaper. monthly. with a calender for shit coming up and some sort of 'investigative' piece alongside traditional editorializing about how shitty the latest thing the attorney general did is. and then some sort of 'history' or theory article, like, here's why small business is bad, and then we explain the marxian theory of capital. or something. I want to make sure that this is a good idea and not me just trying to live out my fantasies of working on a newspaper that ive harbored since college. i also have no interest in producing a jacobin style DSA thinkpiece aggregator or a rote party rag like frso's thing. which serves a purpose dont get me wrong. does this seem like something that could possibly be of service to real shit or does it seem like vanity.

the plan would be to distribute it first in the obvious locations, coffee houses in salt lake and the main college campuses. but i would like to expand distribution to non-obvious areas like suburbs and places not in close proximity to large bodies of students. thats where an actual physical paper can be of some use i think. in places where nobody would ever look for that sort of thing of their own volition.



if i were around there, i would read something like this, if you were up front with a short editor's blurb explaining the variety of viewpoints it represents and why you're writing together. front stuff has a place in my naive christian heart but it's more trustworthy if it goes out of its way to avoid looking like it's trying to sneak liberalism into communism or vice versa. it also helps with receptive left-liberals who have been trained to shut off their brains at certain left vocabulary words, but will not do that if they see other people kind of like them engaging positively with people using those terms. of course what you want to avoid is trot shit like tone deaf rewording of liberal arguments ending in hand-waving insult-the-reader dodges like "therefore, only a united front with consistently revolutionary class consciousness can blah blah blah" but it doesn't sound like that would have any chance of happening.

but i don't know the politics of the geographical area at all so that is the big grain of salt. & i have been involved in editing some tiny press stuff here and there but it was a long time ago. good luck regardless.