Groulxsmith posted:

Goethestein posted:

babyfinland posted:
i really doubt the "vast majority" of the human race thinks dietary prohibitions are silly and arbitrary, given that at least 1.5 billion people adhere to it, another 1.5 billion or so respect it as an abrahamic tradition, and the vast majority of the other half of humanity probably not knowing about it or ever giving it a second's thought

well, first, i didn't say dietary prohibitions, i said your specific dietary prohibitions. muslims make up about 20% of the world; as such the large majority is not muslim. as for being respected as an abrahamic tradition i dont know if youve noticed but the popularity of islam amongst christians and jews generally is just a notch above child pornography and trending downward. the vast majority of the rest of humanity does not give it a second thought, yet they still mostly believe in spiritiuality, thus invalidating the claim that if Someone Understands The Value of Spirituality They'll Understand Why Despite No Social Benefit I Abide By the Arbitrary Food Taboos of Bronze Age Savages

you think american right-wing christians are representative of christianity

yes. other hotbeds of christianity include europe and subsaharan africa, big fans of muslims, and south and central america, who are as far as i know neutral

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Goethestein posted:
agnosticism is predicated on the lie that the existence and non-existence of something are somewhat equally likely

Like the concept of extra dimensions and parallel universes w/r/t quantum physics?

theres really no evidence that parallel universes exist, some physicists think that it is possible but it is at this moment just a hypothesis with limited backing that nobody has been stoned to death over

Goethestein posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Goethestein posted:
agnosticism is predicated on the lie that the existence and non-existence of something are somewhat equally likely

Like the concept of extra dimensions and parallel universes w/r/t quantum physics?

theres really no evidence that parallel universes exist, some physicists think that it is possible but it is at this moment just a hypothesis with limited backing that nobody has been stoned to death over

I dunno, I was pretty stoned to death when I watched a documentary about it. “Whoa”

But seriously people have died because of it because science is inextricably linked to the global war machine.

Groulxsmith posted:
cosmology is essentially indistinguishable from religion except it's acceptable for nerds to like

The one difference is that it’s less tolerant of dissent or other beliefs than religion

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Groulxsmith posted:
cosmology is essentially indistinguishable from religion except it's acceptable for nerds to like

The one difference is that it’s less tolerant of dissent or other beliefs than religion

Yeah remember when Stephen Hawking murdered all those people because they said black holes exist

Meursault posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Groulxsmith posted:
cosmology is essentially indistinguishable from religion except it's acceptable for nerds to like

The one difference is that it’s less tolerant of dissent or other beliefs than religion

Yeah remember when Stephen Hawking murdered all those people because they said black holes exist

Muslims can live in peace with Christians and Jews, but Technocratic scientism cannot abide any level of respectful engagement whatever and constantly feels the need to denigrate anybody who doesn’t subscribe totally to their views.

And yes pretty much all “space enthusiasts” are genocidal murderers because they constantly express a desire for the world’s wealth to go towards playing galactic tonka trucks than fixing issues like infant mortality and such.

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Meursault posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Groulxsmith posted:
cosmology is essentially indistinguishable from religion except it's acceptable for nerds to like

The one difference is that it’s less tolerant of dissent or other beliefs than religion

Yeah remember when Stephen Hawking murdered all those people because they said black holes exist

Muslims can live in peace with Christians and Jews, but Technocratic scientism cannot abide any level of respectful engagement whatever and constantly feels the need to denigrate anybody who doesn’t subscribe totally to their views.

And yes pretty much all “space enthusiasts” are genocidal murderers because they constantly express a desire for the world’s wealth to go towards playing galactic tonka trucks than fixing issues like infant mortality and such.

same, but for any religious person who proposes building a temple.

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Meursault posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Groulxsmith posted:
cosmology is essentially indistinguishable from religion except it's acceptable for nerds to like

The one difference is that it’s less tolerant of dissent or other beliefs than religion

Yeah remember when Stephen Hawking murdered all those people because they said black holes exist

Muslims can live in peace with Christians and Jews, but Technocratic scientism cannot abide any level of respectful engagement whatever and constantly feels the need to denigrate anybody who doesn’t subscribe totally to their views.

And yes pretty much all “space enthusiasts” are genocidal murderers because they constantly express a desire for the world’s wealth to go towards playing galactic tonka trucks than fixing issues like infant mortality and such.

yeah I agree

but it's silly to say there's no dissent! You're the one who brought up multiple dimensions and multiverses, all that stuff is far from settled... theorhetical physics is pretty chill, even if all the large hadron collider results are going to be used to kill poor people or whatever

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Meursault posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Groulxsmith posted:
cosmology is essentially indistinguishable from religion except it's acceptable for nerds to like

The one difference is that it’s less tolerant of dissent or other beliefs than religion

Yeah remember when Stephen Hawking murdered all those people because they said black holes exist

Muslims can live in peace with Christians and Jews, but Technocratic scientism cannot abide any level of respectful engagement whatever and constantly feels the need to denigrate anybody who doesn’t subscribe totally to their views.

thats because their views are complete nonsense given only a modicum of respect by how much they chimp out about it

iFederico posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
And yes pretty much all “space enthusiasts” are genocidal murderers because they constantly express a desire for the world’s wealth to go towards playing galactic tonka trucks than fixing issues like infant mortality and such.

people dying of hunger isn't a problem of lack of resources but of allocation of resources. we could fix world hunger and still send man to mars - if space travel and the quest to understand the universe don't fascinate you you are a hollow shell of a man

space is infinitely less interesting than people

Goethestein posted:
thats because their views are complete nonsense given only a modicum of respect by how much they chimp out about it

granted that an insignificant portion of muslims/christians holds their views, but how do you feel about the more abstract deism of thinkers like dyson or gardner? or for that matter abdus salam?

Meursault posted:
It's kind of fucked up that I got probated yesterday... I feel so violated. It's sad that religious people are so insecure in their supposed beliefs that theu cant' even tolerate a dissenting view. It's hard to post now with the random arbitrariness of religious probation zealotry floating around

so what you're saying is, 'please probate me again dreux' right?

gyrofry posted:
space is infinitely less interesting than people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_formation_and_evolution

vs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Sorrentino