getfiscal posted:if the news is going to be horrific it should at least be exciting. news fail. cnn said that kerry was going to talk about a declaration of war but at first glance it looks like they just talked about "accountability". snorefest.
You must understand, young poster, it takes a long time to say anything in Old Entish. And they never say anything unless it is worth taking a long time to say
redfiesta posted:i wish for every us soldier who step on syrian soil to sent home in a coffin and i wish each one of them to be a close relative of a d&d poster.
i highly doubt we'll be sending any ground troops in.
getfiscal posted:it's weird how americans sort of pretend that sewer lines and electrical are some sort of optional thing that you can fuck around with to annoy people. in reality when you hit those systems then like a billion people die.
Col. John A. Warden III, a deputy director of strategy for the Air Force, declared that by taking out Iraq’s electricity, the US had “imposed a long-term problem on the leadership that it has to deal with sometime. If there are political objectives that the U.N. coalition has, it can say, ‘Saddam, when you agree to do these things, we will allow people to come in and fix your electricity.’ It gives us long-term leverage.”
As another planner put it: “Big picture, we wanted to let people know, ‘Get rid of this guy and we’ll be more than happy to assist in rebuilding. We’re not going to tolerate Saddam Hussein or his regime. Fix that, and we’ll fix your electricity.’”
getfiscal posted:it's weird how americans sort of pretend that sewer lines and electrical are some sort of optional thing that you can fuck around with to annoy people. in reality when you hit those systems then like a billion people die.
well, not just like random people, but mostly people like my sickly grandfather who can't get treatment for his cancer, not like people of high military value.
dank_xiaopeng posted:why dont they just go ahead and bomb hospitals directly and cut out that cholera middleman, dont want microbes gaining valuable combat experience that could go to our Soldiers
thats Israel's Job
dank_xiaopeng posted:why dont they just go ahead and bomb hospitals directly and cut out that cholera middleman, dont want microbes gaining valuable combat experience that could go to our Soldiers
because bombing only does a certain percentage of building damage per bomb to each unit in the building so you'd have to drop lots of bombs, cholera takes 5% unit hp per turn from all units, leaves the building intact so you can leave a sniper in it for the rest of the game to deal with random creep spawns in your territory
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans strongly oppose U.S. intervention in Syria's civil war and believe Washington should stay out of the conflict even if reports that Syria's government used deadly chemicals to attack civilians are confirmed, a Reuters/Ipsos poll says.
About 60 percent of Americans surveyed said the United States should not intervene in Syria's civil war, while just 9 percent thought President Barack Obama should act.
More Americans would back intervention if it is established that chemical weapons have been used, but even that support has dipped in recent days - just as Syria's civil war has escalated and the images of hundreds of civilians allegedly killed by chemicals appeared on television screens and the Internet.
The Reuters/Ipsos poll, taken August 19-23, found that 25 percent of Americans would support U.S. intervention if Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's forces used chemicals to attack civilians, while 46 percent would oppose it. That represented a decline in backing for U.S. action since August 13, when Reuters/Ipsos tracking polls found that 30.2 percent of Americans supported intervention in Syria if chemicals had been used, while 41.6 percent did not.
So that's why the media is so focused on Miley Cyrus' ass.
dank_xiaopeng posted:why dont they just go ahead and bomb hospitals directly and cut out that cholera middleman, dont want microbes gaining valuable combat experience that could go to our Soldiers
im p sure they do that too and also they like to cut out the middle middle man and bomb them in their homes
MadMedico posted:http://news.yahoo.com/syria-war-escalates-americans-cool-u-intervention-reuters-003146054.html
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans strongly oppose U.S. intervention in Syria's civil war and believe Washington should stay out of the conflict even if reports that Syria's government used deadly chemicals to attack civilians are confirmed, a Reuters/Ipsos poll says.
About 60 percent of Americans surveyed said the United States should not intervene in Syria's civil war, while just 9 percent thought President Barack Obama should act.
More Americans would back intervention if it is established that chemical weapons have been used, but even that support has dipped in recent days - just as Syria's civil war has escalated and the images of hundreds of civilians allegedly killed by chemicals appeared on television screens and the Internet.
The Reuters/Ipsos poll, taken August 19-23, found that 25 percent of Americans would support U.S. intervention if Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's forces used chemicals to attack civilians, while 46 percent would oppose it. That represented a decline in backing for U.S. action since August 13, when Reuters/Ipsos tracking polls found that 30.2 percent of Americans supported intervention in Syria if chemicals had been used, while 41.6 percent did not.
So that's why the media is so focused on Miley Cyrus' ass.
pretty sure the media is focusing on miley's ass for its own sake, dont sell her short. anyway if the US actually intervenes those numbers will immediately reverse.
HenryKrinkle posted:yes, only tpaine can make video game jokes
this but unironically
dank_xiaopeng posted:why dont they just go ahead and bomb hospitals directly and cut out that cholera middleman, dont want microbes gaining valuable combat experience that could go to our Soldiers
Ironicwarcriminal posted:i wonder if that HAARP thing actually is causing earthquakes though
you and your consperacy theories, iwc. it's actually tom walking
swampman posted:dank_xiaopeng posted:why dont they just go ahead and bomb hospitals directly and cut out that cholera middleman, dont want microbes gaining valuable combat experience that could go to our Soldiers
because bombing only does a certain percentage of building damage per bomb to each unit in the building so you'd have to drop lots of bombs, cholera takes 5% unit hp per turn from all units, leaves the building intact so you can leave a sniper in it for the rest of the game to deal with random creep spawns in your territory
(Reuters) - U.N. human rights investigators have gathered testimony from casualties of Syria's civil war and medical staff indicating that rebel forces have used the nerve agent sarin, one of the lead investigators said on Sunday.
The United Nations independent commission of inquiry on Syria has not yet seen evidence of government forces having used chemical weapons, which are banned under international law, said commission member Carla Del Ponte.
"Our investigators have been in neighboring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated," Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television.
"This was use on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities," she added, speaking in Italian.
Del Ponte, a former Swiss attorney-general who also served as prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, gave no details as to when or where sarin may have been used.
The Geneva-based inquiry into war crimes and other human rights violations is separate from an investigation of the alleged use of chemical weapons in Syria instigated by U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, which has since stalled.
President Bashar al-Assad's government and the rebels accuse each another of carrying out three chemical weapon attacks, one near Aleppo and another near Damascus, both in March, and another in Homs in December.
The civil war began with anti-government protests in March 2011. The conflict has now claimed an estimated 70,000 lives and forced 1.2 million Syrian refugees to flee.
The United States has said it has "varying degrees of confidence" that sarin has been used by Syria's government on its people.
President Barack Obama last year declared that the use or deployment of chemical weapons by Assad would cross a "red line".
babyfinland posted:wait do you seriously think assad isn't using gas lol
the revisionist narrative people are creating around assad is really hilarious
there's literally no evidence of this you stupid reactionary hipster
Sources: U.S. helping underwrite Syrian rebel training on securing chemical weapons
By Elise Labott
The United States and some European allies are using defense contractors to train Syrian rebels on how to secure chemical weapons stockpiles in Syria, a senior U.S. official and several senior diplomats told CNN Sunday.
The training, which is taking place in Jordan and Turkey, involves how to monitor and secure stockpiles and handle weapons sites and materials, according to the sources. Some of the contractors are on the ground in Syria working with the rebels to monitor some of the sites, according to one of the officials.
The nationality of the trainers was not disclosed, though the officials cautioned against assuming all are American.
Recommended: Syrian rebels creating unified command
One of the aims, the sources said, is to try to get real time surveillance of the sites because the international community would not have time to prevent the use of the weapons otherwise. The program could explain how U.S. intelligence was able to learn what U.S. officials said was evidence the Assad government is mixing precursors for chemical weapons and loading those compounds into bombs. The intelligence, one U.S. official told CNN last week, came not just from satellite surveillance, but also from information provided by people. The official would not say whether the human intelligence came from telephone intercepts, defectors or people inside Syria.
The U.S. military is also working with neighboring Jordan's military to train for the potential need to secure chemical weapons sites. But U.S. troops cannot train rebel forces because the United States has only authorized nonlethal aid for the opposition.
Syrian President Bashar al-Assad seems to be backing off, at least for now, on the possible use of chemical weapons, after the major international outcry over the military activity, according to several sources. CNN reported Friday that the bombs are not being moved to any delivery devices and that the United States was not aware of any significant additional movement of chemical materials.
The Russians, who have allied with Syria, sent several strong messages to the Assad government over the past week against using chemical weapons, saying doing so would be a red line and Assad would lose Russia's support if he did. However, the sources said that the lull in activity could be short-lived and they believe that, if desperate enough, Assad would not hesitate to use such weapons.
It's obvious this is a desperate attempt to start a war in Syria, both to take the heat off the U.S. and put Russia on the defensive (just as the sudden interest in Russian LGBT politics is about) and to try to regain control of the Middle East situation which Obama has lost control of.
MadMedico posted:http://news.yahoo.com/syria-war-escalates-americans-cool-u-intervention-reuters-003146054.html
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans strongly oppose U.S. intervention in Syria's civil war and believe Washington should stay out of the conflict even if reports that Syria's government used deadly chemicals to attack civilians are confirmed, a Reuters/Ipsos poll says.
About 60 percent of Americans surveyed said the United States should not intervene in Syria's civil war, while just 9 percent thought President Barack Obama should act.
More Americans would back intervention if it is established that chemical weapons have been used, but even that support has dipped in recent days - just as Syria's civil war has escalated and the images of hundreds of civilians allegedly killed by chemicals appeared on television screens and the Internet.
The Reuters/Ipsos poll, taken August 19-23, found that 25 percent of Americans would support U.S. intervention if Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's forces used chemicals to attack civilians, while 46 percent would oppose it. That represented a decline in backing for U.S. action since August 13, when Reuters/Ipsos tracking polls found that 30.2 percent of Americans supported intervention in Syria if chemicals had been used, while 41.6 percent did not.
So that's why the media is so focused on Miley Cyrus' ass.
Yup, saw this in the news. Despite "fuck this gay earth" catchphrases, the American people are overwhelmingly against another invasion and Obama's warmongering. He simply has no support for the imperialist actions necessary to save the U.S. economy. We should be thankful that the American right exists, who hate Obama so much they won't get behind him even when he acts in their interests.
getfiscal posted:hey now he's not a hipster
he's a political hispter, I wish there was a better term for the uniquely pathetic creature that develops in the left who is too cool for rebellion but needs all those marxist SHEEPLE to pay attention because no one outside the far left cult gives a shit about him.
babyhueypnewton posted:getfiscal posted:hey now he's not a hipster
I wish there was a better term for the uniquely pathetic creature that develops in the left who is too cool for rebellion but needs all those marxist SHEEPLE to pay attention because no one outside the far left cult gives a shit about him.
... trot???
MadMedico posted:http://news.yahoo.com/syria-war-escalates-americans-cool-u-intervention-reuters-003146054.html
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Americans strongly oppose U.S. intervention in Syria's civil war and believe Washington should stay out of the conflict even if reports that Syria's government used deadly chemicals to attack civilians are confirmed, a Reuters/Ipsos poll says.
About 60 percent of Americans surveyed said the United States should not intervene in Syria's civil war, while just 9 percent thought President Barack Obama should act.
More Americans would back intervention if it is established that chemical weapons have been used, but even that support has dipped in recent days - just as Syria's civil war has escalated and the images of hundreds of civilians allegedly killed by chemicals appeared on television screens and the Internet.
The Reuters/Ipsos poll, taken August 19-23, found that 25 percent of Americans would support U.S. intervention if Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's forces used chemicals to attack civilians, while 46 percent would oppose it. That represented a decline in backing for U.S. action since August 13, when Reuters/Ipsos tracking polls found that 30.2 percent of Americans supported intervention in Syria if chemicals had been used, while 41.6 percent did not.
So that's why the media is so focused on Miley Cyrus' ass.
miley syria and the wretched ass-ad
the propaganda war over LGBT stuff/snowden has been amazing to watch. i don't remember much of it from 2003 but interesting to see people just start gulping it up and talk about sexual politics and hate crimes in a gigantic place they know nothing about every day like good little boys and girls.
6:48pm BST
By Suleiman Al-Khalidi and Julia Payne
TRIPOLI/LONDON (Reuters) - Libya's largest western oilfields closed when an armed group shut down the pipeline linking them to ports, its deputy oil minister said on Tuesday, reducing its oil output to a trickle.
Total Libyan oil output would be just under 200,000 barrels per day from pre-war levels of around 1.6 million bpd, according to a Reuters estimate, the worst disruption since the civil war in 2011.
The fields - El Feel and El Sharara - linked to the pipeline have a combined capacity of around 500,000 barrels per day.
"I'm upset. This is something ridiculous. There is nothing to discuss, it's up to the defence ministry and guards to fix this," Omar Shakmak told Reuters.
The group were not protesting oil workers or dissatisfied Petroleum Facilities Guard members, as in eastern Libya, he said, meaning there were no concrete demands up for negotiation.
"It's a third party," Shakmak said, though he did not know who exactly or what they wanted.
In the east, striking workers, who had already cut Libyan oil output by over half, want more power for the eastern region, the oil minister said in a television interview earlier on Tuesday. Abdelbari al-Arusi said that output was at 665,000 bpd.
He blamed mainly non-oil workers and agitators pushing for federalism in Libya for the strikes, which he said had cost the country $2 billion (1 billion pounds) in lost revenues.
Until the protests, improved oil production and higher prices had brought Libya a $3 billion revenue surplus over its target in the first half of this year, Arusi said.
Arusi said a prolonged strike could lead to a budget deficit: "If the strikes continue, we will reach very terrifying figures in losses."
"These groups announced federalism and they don't recognise the government nor the general national council," he said.
"These youths possess arms now and they have force, and by force they have prevented us from exporting oil and closed the ports," he added.
The strikers had contacted tankers to load oil, Arusi said, adding that international firms keen to maintain long-term ties with Libya and their reputation had rejected those advances.
"They brought some tankers outside the state to load them with oil to transfer the financial revenue to their own private accounts," he added.
"They contacted these oil firms, who got in touch with us and (asked) us whether they should deal with them. We told them they are illegal ... and so matters are under control and oil is in safe hands.
"These international firms do not want to tarnish their reputation," he said.
Arusi rebuffed strikers' assertion that independent oil sales would prevent corrupt officials within the government from selling crude for personal gain.
They accuse the national oil company's senior administration of selling oil without using measurements of quantity.
"There are meters at every field and everything is transparent," the minister said, adding Prime Minister Ali Zeidan had set up a commission of inquiry to look into such allegations.
CLOSED PORTS
The minister said the oil ports of Es Sider, Ras Lanuf, Zueitina and Marsa al Hariga, which are in the east where most of the country's oil production lies, remained closed.
Only Marsa al Brega in the east was open.
Brega loaded its first crude oil tanker since August 9 over the weekend.
"The oil ports are completely closed. Brega was recently opened and Zueitina and Hariga are still closed. Every port has a different reason for their closure," the minister added.
He warned that a prolonged hiatus in exports would allow other producers, such as fellow OPEC member Saudi Arabia, to step in, depriving Libya of revenue and even possibly forcing it to sell oil at a discount to restore former customers.
"This has led to a loss of credibility in the international market ... Saudi Arabia has the ability to up production. Why do we deprive ourselves of these much-needed financial resources for reconstruction?"
(Editing by William Hardy)
babyfinland posted:i actually dont believe assad used weapons and also i believe in the ethical primacy of marxism-leninism baby huey
don't sign your posts
babyhueypnewton posted:getfiscal posted:hey now he's not a hipster
he's a political hispter, I wish there was a better term for the uniquely pathetic creature that develops in the left who is too cool for rebellion but needs all those marxist SHEEPLE to pay attention because no one outside the far left cult gives a shit about him.
how does this describe me at all btw lol you are owning yourself
