discipline posted:the americans and their running dogs will keep cycling through egyptian leaders until something sticks. revolutionary socialism isn't even on their radar because let's be honest, they massacred thousands over what amounts to the egyptian barack obama. imagine what they would do if they put in a leader who really wanted change! the americans and their running dogs would carpet bomb cairo, it would be baghdad all over again
if they would just go ahead and let the Israeli people vote for these leaders directly it seems like it would save a lot of time and unnecessary bloodshed
The two opposing parties responsible for the violent clash that left over 500 people dead earlier this week were people who want Morsi to be president and people who would rather die than see him put back into power.
Morsi, the first democratically elected president of Egypt, was pushed out of office just a few months ago because he, as is the trend these days, severely abused his power as president. Not only did he define what’s right and what’s punishable by the laws of the Koran (which isn’t too friendly to a lot of people), but he also issued a constitutional declaration that basically said that any law or decree he instated cannot be appealed by any political or government body.
It was shortly after this declaration was signed that the massive protests to have Morsi ousted began. The uprising became a coup, and this brings us to present day.
This sequence of events only leads us to the conclusion that there’s a very good chance all of this unnecessary death would have been avoided had Mohammad Morsi not been elected president and given a seemingly unlimited amount of power.
Yet unlike Egypt’s last president, Morsi apparently won this position by a fair and free election.
Was it rigged? Perhaps. A few weeks after the election, The Independent’s Robert Fisk wrote that Morsi actually lost the popular vote, but was awarded the position out of intimidation.
Truth be told, the only other guy who stood a chance, Ahmed Shafik, probably wouldn’t have been that great of a choice, either. He famously referred to Hosni Mubarak as a “role model,” and it’s always good to admire someone who was sentenced to life in prison by his own country’s court.
But Fisk’s theory of intimidation touches on the reason we should have known Morsi was bad news from the start. Mohammad Morsi is a leading member of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamic political movement that became a full-fledged political party after Mubarak was overthrown in 2011. Mubarak had previously instated a law that prohibited the Brotherhood from having any representation in government because he viewed them as terrorists.
Much of Mubarak’s legislation was repealed after he was forced to resign, so the Brotherhood took that opportunity to establish themselves as a functional political system that at the time appeared as a breath of fresh air compared to Mubarak’s blatantly corrupt rule. The Muslim Brotherhood is sort of like the Taliban in suits.
And just like the Taliban, they are literally the only major political party in Egypt that knows how to sustain control and appease civilians by promoting democracy and helping the poor.
Mohammad Morsi was the Muslim Brotherhood’s tool to carry out their Islamist-themed totalitarian agenda; an agenda that probably wouldn’t have been made possible had Egypt’s government not started from scratch following the fall of Mubarak.
Though they didn’t become a legitimate sector of the Egyptian government until 2011, the Muslim Brotherhood has actually been around since the late 1920s. After decades of bloody demonstrations that put great deal of the organization in jail, the Brotherhood began marketing themselves as a coalition for nonviolence and peace. This image, however, went straight out the window as soon as Morsi was ousted, when dozens of young men were enlisted by the Brotherhood to use violence in order to maintain certain territories on Egypt’s lawless streets.
Morsi is technically the Brotherhood’s first crack at running/taking over an entire country and it failed miserably. Egypt’s economy got even worse when Morsi became president as did the rates of domestic violence and crime. The massive killing sprees we’ve seen this week were largely due to the Brotherhood’s footsoldiers refusing to cooperate with Egyptian security forces. What was once a legitimate political movement supposedly aimed for coexistence is now represented by a gang of thugs. History has repeated itself as the Brotherhood will for the second time have to disassociate itself from the recently unmasked savagery that is its true face.
This mob will not exit peacefully and if they do, it will only be because they are plotting how to once again slip their hands into the next governing body Egypt attempts to establish.
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discipline posted:well now look there's the blood of nearly a thousand innocent nonviolent protesters staining the streets of the most amazing arab capital and americans are crowing over the dead bodies of women and children saying it's their fault for voting in a government unlike the last thirty years where they were quietly and politely raped and tortured under a US funded dictatorship
I was just reading a story about how the U.S.-allied government of Yemen was trying to get an 8-year-old street kid to murder the only person who ever cared about him with a U.S. drone strike and came upon some of that quiet polite rape you're referring.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/09/did-an-8-year-old-spy-for-america/309429/
This wouldn’t have been the first time a Middle Eastern ally of the United States had used a child to spy on al-Qaeda. As Lawrence Wright recounts in his book The Looming Tower, in 1995, Egyptian intelligence agents lured two young boys into an apartment, drugged them, and then raped them. The agents photographed everything and used the photos as leverage to force the boys, who were sons of senior militants close to Ayman al-Zawahiri, to spy on al-Qaeda and try to kill the man who would go on to become Osama bin Laden’s deputy and eventually his successor. That plot failed when Zawahiri discovered what the boys were doing. A Sharia court convicted them, and Zawahiri had them both executed.
Just as an aside, you know how every time there's a mass shooting everyone always wonders "why" and yet nobody really asks that question when it comes to why Al Qaeda does what it does? I guess supporting governments who rape kids and then blackmails them into spying on their enemies hurts the whole "we're the good guys" narrative a little too much for people to want to contemplate.
Here's a quote about Egypt from former CIA case officer Robert Baer that sums up Egypt during the good old days of U.S. sponsorship:
"If you want them to be tortured, you send them to Jordan. If you want someone to disappear, you send them to Egypt, where you will never see them again."
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HenryKrinkle posted:http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3387868http://i.imgur.com/cR0FZz1.png
two short yearz ago...
HenryKrinkle posted:http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3387868http://i.imgur.com/cR0FZz1.png
post picture of my posts in that thread im curious what i said
babyfinland posted:post picture of my posts in that thread im curious what i said
what parachute account were u using in feb 2011?
HenryKrinkle posted:babyfinland posted:post picture of my posts in that thread im curious what i said
what parachute account were u using in feb 2011?
i dunno maybe god bless america or tsion zaken?
tpaine posted:you fucking people with access to fedallah and he's still not here. might as well casually be like "yeah randbrick is my cousin, i see him once a week or so" and then silence about getting fucking people to post here. withtheir boy tpaine.
i told him wat you said. he hasnt spoken to me in three years
the funny thing is they say he still faces retrial for killing protesters but itll be pretty hard to charge him with that now since it seems to be totally cool
ilmdge posted:mubarak is supposedly going free
the funny thing is they say he still faces retrial for killing protesters but itll be pretty hard to charge him with that now since it seems to be totally cool
The political map of Egypt is slowly changing. As events continue to unfold following the June30 and then the July3 coup, there are emerging new realties that may have an impact the future of the country for years to come. Currently, however, there is nothing definitive or clear.
First, the ongoing crackdown on the Muslim Brotherhood did not tame political Islam in Egypt. In fact, the opposite is true. Al-Azhar wants to be the sole guardian of Islam in Egypt, while the anti-Muslim brotherhood Salafis want to be the protector of the Sunni doctrine, and all the while the junta wants to enlist Islamism to serve their nationalist agenda.
Both al-Azhar figures and Salafis are passionately defending the army, but they are also defending the role of religion in the state. In their opinion, the religion should not be abused in politics, but it should also not be banned. Pro-coup non- Brotherhood Islamists are fighting hard to weaken the most organized Islamist group in Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood, to capitalize on its downfall, and to enlarge their political base. Despite this, they are not united on a clear vision on how religion should be framed inside Egypt’s new constitution. The Salafi Nour party is fighting hard to keep article 219 unchanged, while other scholars advocate removing it. Interestingly, other “moderate” Islamists such as Aboul Fetouh have decided not to participate in the constitutional assembly. How all this will work out at the end is still unclear.
Second, there is a new line of demarcation that has started to make a distinction between Militarism and Mubarakism in Egypt’s political sphere. Indeed, Mubarak was an army man, but his long tenure was associated with a subtle shift towards favoring the police and business elite, while sidelining or neutralizing charismatic military figures such as Gamasi and Abu-Ghazala, whom he feared could appeal to the public and challenge his rule.
Now that the military is in charge of Egypt, its leadership is keen to dissociate itself from Mubarak, his policies, and his men. Subtly for now, they want to be prudent in their animosity to Mubarak while they are fighting on several other fronts. The release of Mubarak last week and the immediate house arrest order reflects the delicate balance that the military is trying to achieve. They do not want to humiliate their ex-leader ___ that is part of their military teaching, but they want to maintain their image as “the guardian of the revolution.” In addition, there was a palpable lack of enthusiasm about the release of Mubarak in Egypt state and private media. Another intriguing sign was the cold response to the news of the possible return of ex-presidential candidate Shafiq, considered as a Mubarak man, back from the UAE. One Egyptian presenter, Tamir Amin, openly asked him not to return back to politics.
The new decree issued by interim head of state Adly Mansour stating that Egyptian soldiers will no longer swear loyalty directly to the president of the republic is an indication that the military leadership does not just want to create another Morsi or another Mubarak. The junta worships their independence from the state. This is one clear goal that Sisi wanted to achieve by backing June30.
On the economic front, it seems that the new military leadership prefers a shift from Mubarak’s ___and to certain degree Morsi’s ___ neoliberal approach to the economy. Although the honeymoon with Mubarak’s Felool is still ongoing, it will unlikely last. The junta may not revert to Nasser ‘s extreme socialist approach, but they may prefer to tame the power of the business elite, mainly to maintain the loyalty of the apolitical public who resented the alliance between Mubarak and his businessmen.
Third, the military coup has exposed the irrelevance of the various non-Islamist political parties in Egypt. All of them looked weak and ineffective. None have articulated any clear vision for the future. Instead, they all looked like junior pawns in Sisi’s coalition against the Brotherhood; a mere bunch of loyal, nodding dogs that release hollow statements, while their senior members rants on various talk shows. These parties even failed to capitalize from the crisis to widen their social base; none of them have travelled to the provinces or tried to engage with the public or listened to their grievances. How can they expect any victory against the Islamists in the next parliamentary election if they fail to show up in such a critical juncture in Egypt’s history? Some claim that their silence is deliberate until the current crisis subsides. If this is the actual case, then it is short sighted to say the least. The public will never forgive them for their cowardice and weakness.
As for leaders like Sabbahi, many rightly predict that he stands a good chance in any future presidential election. His appearance on the al-Arabyia channel endorsing the army move against the Muslim Brotherhood and support for a new nationalist agenda for Egypt has given him prominence. The left is re-bouncing back in Egypt, aiming to refashion Nasser’s glorious past, but with a few modifications.
If we are not careful, the future of Egypt may be in the form of neo-nationalism: a mixture of militarism, socialism, and non-Muslim Brotherhood’s Islamism, all mixed together in a parcel that is wrapped with only a thin wrap of flawed democracy, in which the junta are leading from behind.
http://nervana1.org/2013/09/01/week-35-a-few-thoughts-egypts-new-political-map/
Hamdeen Sabahi is leader of the "Nasserist" Egyptian Popular Current