gyrofry posted:
propaganda of the deed as criticism
Exactly, 9/11 is probably the best example of this
babyfinland posted:deadken posted:Groulxsmith posted:
the schlockiest and most exploitive movies, things like human centipede and hostel, at least at some point were offered up some kind of bold social critiquesi dont think we should necessarily object to anything in the artistic field (ideologically, of course, aesthetic objections are always valid)...... rather, if we are confronted by some particularly racist chauvinist or misogynist text we should prise apart its contradictions and formulate a subversive reading
*wallows in garbage*
you know we have to live in garbage for our future right. *puts trash in your hair*
deadken posted:babyfinland posted:deadken posted:Groulxsmith posted:
the schlockiest and most exploitive movies, things like human centipede and hostel, at least at some point were offered up some kind of bold social critiquesi dont think we should necessarily object to anything in the artistic field (ideologically, of course, aesthetic objections are always valid)...... rather, if we are confronted by some particularly racist chauvinist or misogynist text we should prise apart its contradictions and formulate a subversive reading
*wallows in garbage*
im not saying we should tolerate bad art, just that we shouldn't discount good art based on a narrow negative view of ideology. unless youre making a dumb personal attack in which case im p clean living actually
it was a racist attack
swampman posted:
the royal tenenbaums explores the cavernous horrors of how bad life can be when you're totally comfortable and able to do the things you want or love every day. alas, who has the strength?! i also hold it partially responsible for twee.
how is that not terrifying? like we could build up an awesome communist system where everyone gets what they need and then we'll all just spend our time making films about precious americana. the horror, the horro
babyfinland posted:
i live in a trash can u rus idiot
So, is it then me that Gives no fuck, or is it you? Because i gives no fuck
getfiscal posted:swampman posted:
the royal tenenbaums explores the cavernous horrors of how bad life can be when you're totally comfortable and able to do the things you want or love every day. alas, who has the strength?! i also hold it partially responsible for twee.how is that not terrifying? like we could build up an awesome communist system where everyone gets what they need and then we'll all just spend our time making films about precious americana. the horror, the horro
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I think that is the task of communists today. Never to allow precious americana to dominate our humanity.
Impper posted:
lol von triers "objectively bad art"
ive only seen one of his most recently released films while half-asleep despite the fact he has a highly acclaimed 25 year long career, but im pretty comfortable in claiming everything hes done is objectively bad. other people say he bad, this liberal man said he hate woman. what Shit!!
Ironicwarcriminal posted:
The best art is destruction of art or indeed artists. Any jerk can make some tumblr or mumblecore garbage but it takes vision and courage to take a knife to a (flesh or canvas) van gogh
shredding van gogh isn't the end of the world, but if you head down this road you're going to wind up with more shitheads breaking ancient vases and knocking down statues. Say what you will, but ancient artifacts are worth defending at the cost of a few low class artists/entertainers
aerdil posted:Impper posted:
lol von triers "objectively bad art"ive only seen one of his most recently released films while half-asleep despite the fact he has a highly acclaimed 25 year long career, but im pretty comfortable in claiming everything hes done is objectively bad. other people say he bad, this liberal man said he hate woman. what Shit!!
same except instead of liberal man its irl women (no dicks)
Lykourgos posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
The best art is destruction of art or indeed artists. Any jerk can make some tumblr or mumblecore garbage but it takes vision and courage to take a knife to a (flesh or canvas) van goghshredding van gogh isn't the end of the world, but if you head down this road you're going to wind up with more shitheads breaking ancient vases and knocking down statues. Say what you will, but ancient artifacts are worth defending at the cost of a few low class artists/entertainers
deadken posted:
if great ancient art represents some unchanging truth about the human condition, then smash it! new embodiments will be created
in mission impossible 4 the villain wants to nuke the world so that we'll start again, so basically you've got the ideology of a tom cruise movie
thirdplace posted:
tom cruise has been getting a lot of namedrops lately. popular guy
my irl name is tom cruz
getfiscal posted:deadken posted:
if great ancient art represents some unchanging truth about the human condition, then smash it! new embodiments will be createdin mission impossible 4 the villain wants to nuke the world so that we'll start again, so basically you've got the ideology of a tom cruise movie
schlocky movie villains tend to make some good points imo.
deadken posted:
destroying art and killing literally everyone are not the same thing though
if you so much as scrunch up a napkin with a mona lisa printout on it then you are literally murdering all of humanity
hahaha that old dude
deadken posted:getfiscal posted:deadken posted:
if great ancient art represents some unchanging truth about the human condition, then smash it! new embodiments will be createdin mission impossible 4 the villain wants to nuke the world so that we'll start again, so basically you've got the ideology of a tom cruise movie
schlocky movie villains tend to make some good points imo.
the best part is there's zero seconds of film spent on fleshing out the morality play, like even bond said the following to dr. no "World domination. The same old dream. Our asylums are full of people who think they're Napoleon. Or God." in one scene they have a video of the guy making actually a pretty reasonable speech to justify his sudden resignation from a nuclear disarmament committee because he now believes nuclear war is necessary, and after he makes a few points they just start talking over him about how they're gonna stop him... i was seeing it with my mom so i couldnt impart all this to all the sheeple around me, grazing on popcorn while they wait for the slotter