babyhueypnewton posted:

lol thug lessons laying down the smackdown. I always conceive of posters as talking versions of their avatars, please get back your old Angela Davis av, and everyone should return to their most recognizable avs as well

Agreedo

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babyfinland posted:
It's gross how you guys talk about poor people as these agency less pawns to be mobilized to perform for your Moses fantasies. And like you come up with these hateful messianic theories for them to consume. It's really weird. If got care about people just go help them and let them make up their own minds about whether they should start a civil war against the government. I know it's easy to say you're down for some ruckus when you're unemployed depressed and alone but most people have real concerns. Glenn beck and Marx and stuff are an entertainment for people, it doesn't represent support for revolutionary war.

yeah what people really want is condescending charity from a piece of shit like yourself, (not that you're willing to stoop so low as to actually give it), NOT political engagement as equals. you're not nearly as smart as you think you are

that's an idiotic word mishmash, i hope you realize that.

"I'm hungry, please engage me with politics as an equal, save me alex you're my only hope" - poor person.

the dumbest notion of left liberals (the kind who don't self define as liberals, fyi,i'm talkinbg about you, alex) is that politics are distinct for economy and both are somehow divorced from simple social interaction and welfare. i,e dumb shit for noobs.

baby finland never said he wishes to give condescending charity, that's the interpretation of a condescending asshole who thinks he holds the key to the salvation of others, like only if you elevate them to the degree of equals through 'political engagement' will they than be salvageable, what BF finland says is 'alleviate their material problems and they'll figure the rest out, they don't need you to make them better people they could just use your help in trying to overcome the limitations enforced upon them by an exploitative capitalist society'.

but no, BF isn't as smart as he thinks he is. Alex is. go ~team alex~

Transient_Grace posted:

Lessons posted:

babyfinland posted:
It's gross how you guys talk about poor people as these agency less pawns to be mobilized to perform for your Moses fantasies. And like you come up with these hateful messianic theories for them to consume. It's really weird. If got care about people just go help them and let them make up their own minds about whether they should start a civil war against the government. I know it's easy to say you're down for some ruckus when you're unemployed depressed and alone but most people have real concerns. Glenn beck and Marx and stuff are an entertainment for people, it doesn't represent support for revolutionary war.

yeah what people really want is condescending charity from a piece of shit like yourself, (not that you're willing to stoop so low as to actually give it), NOT political engagement as equals. you're not nearly as smart as you think you are

that's an idiotic word mishmash, i hope you realize that.

"I'm hungry, please engage me with politics as an equal, save me alex you're my only hope" - poor person.

the dumbest notion of left liberals (the kind who don't self define as liberals, fyi,i'm talkinbg about you, alex) is that politics are distinct for economy and both are somehow divorced from simple social interaction and welfare. i,e dumb shit for noobs.

baby finland never said he wishes to give condescending charity, that's the interpretation of a condescending asshole who thinks he holds the key to the salvation of others, like only if you elevate them to the degree of equals through 'political engagement' will they than be salvageable, what BF finland says is 'alleviate their material problems and they'll figure the rest out, they don't need you to make them better people they could just use your help in trying to overcome the limitations enforced upon them by an exploitative capitalist society'.

but no, BF isn't as smart as he thinks he is. Alex is. go ~team alex~

yes exactly, he's advocating charity rather than political action and saying anyone who doesn't is narcissistic

Transient_Grace posted:

what sort of self styled communist doesn't fucking realize that personal direct action on the immediate material level is inherently political.

dude, the problem isn't that 'personal action' isn't political enough, it's that he's demanding people approach their activism apolitically because otherwise you're apparently a classist with a messiah complex. it's the worst sort of smug cynicism.

swirlsofhistory posted:

what's the deal with spelling Africa with a 'k' anyway? that's how it's spelled in afrikaans and I didn't think that was the intended association

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/176640.html

Dont liston to that native dialect shit at the end tho

MadMedico posted:

Why are they leaving out Florida.

reparations to cuba

AmericanNazbro posted:

Transient_Grace posted:
once again, meaningless word mishmash, charity doesn't have to be condescending, it doesn't have to be in the form of repeated handouts and whatever. BF is saying why don't you participate in apparatus that already exist and try to help people and maybe try to modify their modus operandi rather than stating flat out that unless the politics are proper than the actual help provided is meaningless.


i donate to kiva.org.

Your move.

It's funny but it looks like some people here insist on thinking that charity equals monetary donations to certain organizations, I don't really recall seeing that written anywhere, not that donating money to these organizations is a bad thing, quite the opposite, however, Charity isn't the alpha and omega of political action and no one is pretending it is.

The entire distinction Im attempting to make is between 'actions that can be performed right here right now' to 'stuff that people just talk about and will spend their entire lives not actually doing anything meaningful about' - the concept of a grand revolutionary theology-ideology is not even negated by this distinction, like fuck, all i'm saying is 'pick somewhere to start and get your hands dirty', your ideology doesn't have to be perfect, any sensible notion of benevolent social revolution relies on the concept a stronger sense of community and mutual responsibility. Only One Way To Get The Ball Rolling.

that is, if you want to make the world a better place. personally i don't really care.

Edited by Transient_Grace (Oct. 8, 2012 04:29:54)

EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

lol did tom stop posting

while you can stop tom from posting you can never stop us from tomposting.

Lykourgos posted:

I went to a fancy, sit down pizza hut with a spiral staircase in China once. By went I mean, I went inside the front door and walked outside the front door before going to somewhere worth eating.

it was the pizza hut in Hangzhou, wasn't it?