discipline posted:
don't murder? don't charge usury? feed the poor? sounds like a bunch of plainspeak trash. here let me write a big book about it using terms that will incorporate the same principles but make it seem as though I came up with these ideas through independent study and the use of Reason
if you think that dwelling on what morality is is for chumps then why did your celestial kim jong il whisper a book to anyone. couldn't we have figured out that murder was wrong for ourselves without spirit-beings flipping out about wire hangers.
discipline posted:
obviously not
so morality is both so obvious that it requires no introspection but also so impossible to develop organically that it needs to be imposed by a control freak spirit lord.
If morals are not innate to the human condition, then from where does the authority to teach them originate?
these things are equally important.
<3 religion
it is arguably even more ridiculous.
SomeIsraeliFuck posted:
can i switch "observe the sabbath" to "don't utter thy lord's name in vain"?
it is arguably even more ridiculous.
hahaha maybe it's like supposed to be some kind of future prophesy... like maybe "The Lord's Name" is really some kinda late 21st century street-slang for a garage-cooked adaptation of a chemical called loraditiminame, a drug notable for both its quick inducement of euphoric bliss and its original intention as the first phase of a "treatment plan" for elderly patients that have "exhausted their litigational options" in obama's death panel bureaucracy. and its like, really good stuff. REALLY good stuff, ya know? and of course, as sweet a spot as that wouldnt stay the secret of nurses on the night-shift for long, once Big Phrama finally realized what they had on their hands at least, eventually becoming America's most epic epidemic of all time thanks to the power of BP's money and marketing. "the lord's name" and the rest of its religiously-themed nomenclatura become so popular and widespread that the mainstream meanings of traditionally sacrosanct words are superseded by their druggie equivalents... like "praying" now refers to the lollygagging "ullhghhhhhehh" sound that you make when that juice first hits yer brain, while "singing psalms" is a kink that involves shooting the needle into your tongue and then extravenously transferring the high to your partner with a lick, whistle, and AMEN. and so on and so forth as it also goes with "reading the gospel", "speaking confession", "receiving communion", etc. so obviously analogous and so obviously gross that we really don't really need to dwell on them, and besides, everybody knows this stuff anyways, there was even an episode of late 21st century Ellen about it.
and so thus it is that The Church withers away, as those who would wish to uphold tradition can no longer even find their dignity in doing so, and a whole generation comes of age without its Good and Just laws to guide them into strong men and women. we all become Last Men, RIP the human race.
germanjoey posted:SomeIsraeliFuck posted:
can i switch "observe the sabbath" to "don't utter thy lord's name in vain"?
it is arguably even more ridiculous.hahaha maybe it's like supposed to be some kind of future prophesy... like maybe "The Lord's Name" is really some kinda late 21st century street-slang for a garage-cooked adaptation of a chemical called loraditiminame, a drug notable for both its quick inducement of euphoric bliss and its original intention as the first phase of a "treatment plan" for elderly patients that have "exhausted their litigational options" in obama's death panel bureaucracy. and its like, really good stuff. REALLY good stuff, ya know? and of course, as sweet a spot as that wouldnt stay the secret of nurses on the night-shift for long, once Big Phrama finally realized what they had on their hands at least, eventually becoming America's most epic epidemic of all time thanks to the power of BP's money and marketing. "the lord's name" and the rest of its religiously-themed nomenclatura become so popular and widespread that the mainstream meanings of traditionally sacrosanct words are superseded by their druggie equivalents... like "praying" now refers to the lollygagging "ullhghhhhhehh" sound that you make when that juice first hits yer brain, while "singing psalms" is a kink that involves shooting the needle into your tongue and then extravenously transferring the high to your partner with a lick, whistle, and AMEN. and so on and so forth as it also goes with "reading the gospel", "speaking confession", "receiving communion", etc. so obviously analogous and so obviously gross that we really don't really need to dwell on them, and besides, everybody knows this stuff anyways, there was even an episode of late 21st century Ellen about it.
and so thus it is that The Church withers away, as those who would wish to uphold tradition can no longer even find their dignity in doing so, and a whole generation comes of age without its Good and Just laws to guide them into strong men and women. we all become Last Men, RIP the human race.
ya dude
germanjoey posted:SomeIsraeliFuck posted:
can i switch "observe the sabbath" to "don't utter thy lord's name in vain"?
it is arguably even more ridiculous.hahaha maybe it's like supposed to be some kind of future prophesy... like maybe "The Lord's Name" is really some kinda late 21st century street-slang for a garage-cooked adaptation of a chemical called loraditiminame, a drug notable for both its quick inducement of euphoric bliss and its original intention as the first phase of a "treatment plan" for elderly patients that have "exhausted their litigational options" in obama's death panel bureaucracy. and its like, really good stuff. REALLY good stuff, ya know? and of course, as sweet a spot as that wouldnt stay the secret of nurses on the night-shift for long, once Big Phrama finally realized what they had on their hands at least, eventually becoming America's most epic epidemic of all time thanks to the power of BP's money and marketing. "the lord's name" and the rest of its religiously-themed nomenclatura become so popular and widespread that the mainstream meanings of traditionally sacrosanct words are superseded by their druggie equivalents... like "praying" now refers to the lollygagging "ullhghhhhhehh" sound that you make when that juice first hits yer brain, while "singing psalms" is a kink that involves shooting the needle into your tongue and then extravenously transferring the high to your partner with a lick, whistle, and AMEN. and so on and so forth as it also goes with "reading the gospel", "speaking confession", "receiving communion", etc. so obviously analogous and so obviously gross that we really don't really need to dwell on them, and besides, everybody knows this stuff anyways, there was even an episode of late 21st century Ellen about it.
and so thus it is that The Church withers away, as those who would wish to uphold tradition can no longer even find their dignity in doing so, and a whole generation comes of age without its Good and Just laws to guide them into strong men and women. we all become Last Men, RIP the human race.
well you can't prove that WON'T happen. faith secure.
lungfish posted:
If you want to learn to become a good man or woman then listen to your elders and study history, art, philosophy, etc. Rationally critique your own behavior. Life experience and age will also make you wiser. Religion really doesn't play any part in that and only serves as a rather fundamental diversion which can disrupt the formation of a healthy mind and worldview.
you can say reasonable things and still terrify me because it comes across as a "you hyoo-mans must learn that..."
lungfish posted:
If you want to learn to become a good man or woman then listen to your elders and study history, art, philosophy, etc. Rationally critique your own behavior. Life experience and age will also make you wiser. Religion really doesn't play any part in that and only serves as a rather fundamental diversion which can disrupt the formation of a healthy mind and worldview.
those things teach you to be religious