in this case the propaganda from that Guardian article is literally "the U.S. and its allies are paragons of ethics in scientific testing but China & Russia are full of insect people with no regard for themselves as inferior life forms, so that's how they've secretly perfected the impossible Headache Beam"
lol
:goonsay: but with teh hippiez spitting on our Troops we're doing telepathy spells with one hand tied behind our back! gloves off the X-Men now!!
Even if there were microwave weapons that could precisely shape the inner ear into intelligible words, you'd need to do it the same way as radiation therapy to treat cancer, by using multiple beams precisely intersecting on a stationary target. When doctors administer radiation therapy they have to literally leave a margin for the movement of your body caused by breathing, that's how precise it needs to be to cause the desired effect on one location in your body—precise only in the sense that it will kill a certain area of tissue and no more. Someone using a fictional microwave super-weapon to "beam" a voice into the heads of a group of people—assuming they somehow managed to keep it from killing the tissue targeted through targeted heating of the fluid inside it—would have to get each person to lie still in an exact spot, different for each person, in relation to a specific array of microwave emitters, with a separate array pre-arranged for each person. If someone shifted slightly to scratch their ass, it would be enough to neutralize the "weapon".
Pigs already have a way to project a voice or other precise sound so loudly that a group has trouble communicating and some of them will want to disperse. That method also often has the secondary effect of discomfort caused to other areas of the body. They do that by sending vibrations through a fluid medium between an amplification device and the targets, that is, by using really loud speakers.
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solidar posted:the US ... recently had a crowd control device that could do it to whole groups that would scare people away by being annoying or painfully loud
I think we're disagreeing on this part, because it's wrong and the sort of disinfo people on this site should not be spreading around, the idea that police have a crowd-control device that uses sci-fi long-range microwave telepathy to broadcast messages into the heads of "whole groups" instead of just painfully loud amplifiers that they use all the time for that purpose.
So, if this thread is going to serve that purpose, we have to actively do that work. We can't just assume that we're right about things just because we're posting them itt.
cars posted:solidar posted:
the US ... recently had a crowd control device that could do it to whole groups that would scare people away by being annoying or painfully loud
I think we're disagreeing on this part, because it's wrong and the sort of disinfo people on this site should not be spreading around, the idea that police have a crowd-control device that uses sci-fi long-range microwave telepathy to broadcast messages into the heads of "whole groups" instead of just painfully loud amplifiers that they use all the time for that purpose.
ah. yeah.
cars posted:So, if this thread is going to serve that purpose, we have to actively do that work. We can't just assume that we're right about things just because we're posting them itt.
I agree, just trying to clarify what I see as the positions in play to avoid talking past each other
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cars posted:This is presumably the entire point of this thread, that some conspiracy theories reflect real conspiracies and some don't, and, because we're materialists, we're equipped with the tools to tell the two apart.
yeah but in light of recent events i would ask that as we continue to pwn each other with facts and logic we do so in a jovial manner. tia
cars posted:solidar posted:the US ... recently had a crowd control device that could do it to whole groups that would scare people away by being annoying or painfully loud
I think we're disagreeing on this part, because it's wrong and the sort of disinfo people on this site should not be spreading around, the idea that police have a crowd-control device that uses sci-fi long-range microwave telepathy to broadcast messages into the heads of "whole groups" instead of just painfully loud amplifiers that they use all the time for that purpose.
I was being fast and loose with my language but my post was no more false than your “lmao the DOD couldn’t make a headache machine”. The fact that they went so far as to build a prototype and then decided to scrub its existence from their pages of the internet does not equate to failing to make something capable of having any effect. Given the other research in the area I would accept them at their word that they had something capable of making noticeable recognizable sounds in localized areas.
cars posted:This is presumably the entire point of this thread, that some conspiracy theories reflect real conspiracies and some don't, and, because we're materialists, we're equipped with the tools to tell the two apart. Like: microwave weapons are real and have been in development for some time, with well-known effects from well-understood properties of microwaves (discovered in 1888), while the U.S.-government backed conspiracy theory about science-fiction long-range precision-targeted microwave weapons is false, and further exploits paranoia driven through poor understanding by previous conspiracy theorists of what microwave weapons can and can't do and what studies of microwaves do and do not demonstrate to be true.
So, if this thread is going to serve that purpose, we have to actively do that work. We can't just assume that we're right about things just because we're posting them itt.
Okay fair enough but what is your point here? Like you had a half dozen posts that wanted to contribute some “sci-fi” “conspiracy theory” (lol) to what I was saying but you agree that it’s possible and proven to transmit words to someone, that microwave weapons are real and have been studied, that combining the above two would be difficult (maybe impossible) but the main failure points would be damage to the subject. I don’t think pointing to some CNN or whatever the fuck article about how the DOD made a prototype of such a device and then stopped talking about it is really anything like “actively doing the work.” It might give us some confidence that the police don’t have anything like this (not something I at all said) but doesn’t tell us much of what is available or possible in the more secretive areas of the imperialist forces.
pogfan1996 posted:
sadly this does not actually include any new evidence, and it leans far too much on claims made by rfk jr. i have always been happy to critically assess information offered by flawed sources but he is completely radioactive
e: to be clear, i'm not saying there's nothing of value in the article or that there was no conspiracy to kill rfk
Mega #thread on #exploretalent & the phenomenon of failed aspiring entertainers of the Right
— nicole elan (@nicole_chenelle) August 3, 2021
Some context: in the late 90's-early 00's, there were numerous nationwide talent searches that would advertise at the high schools in Southern California
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swampman posted:
every now and then i have wondered where the hell they got the idea of crisis actors from in the first place
(Vibrating) Something happening pic.twitter.com/5h5c5UulOP
— Mr. Evolved (@senator_gun) September 2, 2021
and on the one hand they're bad people who do bad things
but on the other hand, check out this fucking sick logo!
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Never sure where the line for these logos/badges is between “make sure it’s just loaded up with occult symbols” and “skulls, snakes, lightning bolts, hell yeah, looks fucking badass, we’re so cool and hardcore”