drwhat posted:

Boris Johnson just got taken to the hospital

realsubtle posted:

oh i am working retail. not even essential, just entertainment products. arkansas has strangely slipped through the quarantine cracks. but thanks to the advent of safe, reliable thc oil cartridges, i can still get high before and during work!

I just got straight up fired from my shitty retail job of 7 years at an electronics retailer too, but I got a pretty large payout and Canadian governmental assistance. My only regret is not watching more baseball games on my phone in security camera dead-zones.

wheatdevil posted:

getting really high before work. I mean, you can do that normally and usually be fine (operating forklifts,

working in a car factory was generally p dull but having to watch out for baked tow motor operators hauling half a ton of automotive glass at 20mph kept it interesting, also did you know that big metal and concrete bollards designed to protect pedestrian corridors can actually be easily crushed by a tow motor even at low speed

drwhat posted:

was the wuhan lockdown was tighter than the current lockdown of all of france? sounds pretty similar, but i don't know that many details of what the lockdown was really like in wuhan

i don't know if this really answers your question but it might be interesting anyway

also this https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202001/30/WS5e32512da310128217273b0c_1.html

all travel in and out of wuhan stopped, all nonessential businesses closed, and i imagine it was otherwise like other big cities across china, where you'd need a 'passport' to leave your apartment complex, there'd be temperature checks as you leave and reenter, and that's assuming you weren't quarantined because of a confirmed case among your neighbors, in which case you'd just have to rely on food delivery. how was all this policed? probably mostly self-policing, because most people would not want to flout the rules in a city full of police and cameras. in rural towns where certain residential areas were under quarantine, they just put up big banners threatening to break your legs if you left the house. behold the power of AUTHORITARIAN COMMUNISM

dizastar posted:

as soon as the bells of the virus rang, they responded quickly and diverted all national effort towards curbing any type of outbreak. a quarantine two months after the fact, when the leaders who told us to keep on rocking are suddenly telling us to hide under our beds, is either never going to be taken seriously or cause inter-population stasi like policing which isnt productive at all

? I don't know how you can write this drivel with any confidence - it took china about a month from the initial late december bell ringing to start locking stuff down in late january (a gigantic fuck-up the CPC has all but admitted), it was literally a quarantine about two months after the virus would have started it's spread - but when they actually got around to doing it, it worked! And it's not like you can't go look at other countries' case numbers either, as undercounted as they may be: unless you believe they're wholesale fabrications, it's pretty clear that quarantine works in preventing new case numbers from reaching exponential levels. If there's a conspiracy or crime here, it's the opportunistic measures gov'ts have taken to maintain economic normalcy in the face of a massive contraction, the bodies that pile up when condo construction is considered essential or when the EPA decides companies can just dump shit wherever they want for a few months.

What do you think the deaths would look like without a quarantine? Business leaders in the US were keen on not shutting the country down because they knew they would be safe working from home or tucked away in a giant corner office while people stuck in service work, construction, transit, etc. would die in droves... something we're seeing in miniature among those unfortunate enough to be considered essential workers (check the death count among NYC subway workers! It ain't good!). People are perfectly fine, even enthusiastic, to stay home if they're allowed to! But I'm sure they'll all appreciate when brezhnevite tyler durden takes a huge bong rip and tells them to get back to work

dizastar posted:

88888 posted:

dizastar posted:

as soon as the bells of the virus rang, they responded quickly and diverted all national effort towards curbing any type of outbreak. a quarantine two months after the fact, when the leaders who told us to keep on rocking are suddenly telling us to hide under our beds, is either never going to be taken seriously or cause inter-population stasi like policing which isnt productive at all

? I don't know how you can write this drivel with any confidence - it took china about a month from the initial late december bell ringing to start locking stuff down in late january (a gigantic fuck-up the CPC has all but admitted), it was literally a quarantine about two months after the virus would have started it's spread - but when they actually got around to doing it, it worked! And it's not like you can't go look at other countries' case numbers either, as undercounted as they may be: unless you believe they're wholesale fabrications, it's pretty clear that quarantine works in preventing new case numbers from reaching exponential levels. If there's a conspiracy or crime here, it's the opportunistic measures gov'ts have taken to maintain economic normalcy in the face of a massive contraction, the bodies that pile up when condo construction is considered essential or when the EPA decides companies can just dump shit wherever they want for a few months.

What do you think the deaths would look like without a quarantine? Business leaders in the US were keen on not shutting the country down because they knew they would be safe working from home or tucked away in a giant corner office while people stuck in service work, construction, transit, etc. would die in droves... something we're seeing in miniature among those unfortunate enough to be considered essential workers (check the death count among NYC subway workers! It ain't good!). People are perfectly fine, even enthusiastic, to stay home if they're allowed to! But I'm sure they'll all appreciate when brezhnevite tyler durden takes a huge bong rip and tells them to get back to work



i dont believe the virus is the sole and direct factor for the impressive death count, its the rush and pressure applied on health organization leading them to follow bad methods, caused by the eternal leap for profit of the health industry whos infiltrated euro-amerikan governments and have blood on their hands. Adding to this, the enormous amount of people being put out of work with no compensation, the poorest, will surely bring up an important death toll - or a decay in their quality of life that leaves them half dying. I'm not pushing for an irresponsible, Stakhanovite attitude triumphing against all odds, my argument is that poverty and the political restructuration in imperiali$t countries, affecting the poorest and most politically isolated, will be ten times worse than whats currently happening because of the virus. Poverty, unemployment, and a recession masked by a global crisis kills, you just won't see the graphs and statistical manipulation to cause mass panic for that on the news
i'd also like you to address me in a less vitriolic tone. im starting to find the little passive aggressive quirks you do after some of my posts a bit troublesome

I apologize for the level of vitriol but I thought your post was egregious. I don't believe the virus is the sole and direct factor in deaths, but no one else does either, the rush and pressure applied on health organizations is a direct result of the unrestricted spread of the virus, which quarantining alleviates. That healthcare systems throughout the west have suffered decades and decades of cuts isn't news to anyone here, and that poverty, unemployment, and recessions kill, which is often ignored, isn't either. Anyone who doesn't believe that would probaby not be browsing tHE r H i z z o n E, and I don't know what argument stating any of that makes.

If you're arguing that this disease isn't only thing killing, I agree but I'm not sure it's even worth stating; but that's not the argument a statement like "the quarantine isn't even necessary" makes. If it's an argument that healthwise they don't work, it's entirely incorrect. If it's an argument that the effects of economic contraction from lockdown will be worse to people than an unrestricted pandemic, I'd say that you're still probably incorrect, and I would point out that there is nothing "necessary" about people dying during economic hardship, it's capitalist negligence, and that at least that presents a space for organizing. You can't present a convincing argument about how little capitalist governance cares about human lives while simultaneously telling people that they'll be better off if business continues as usual, which besides largely sucking in the best of times, will now quite possibly kill them. Then again, I don't have a good read on what you are trying to argue, so ignore all that if it seems offbase.