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cars posted:folks you don’t need to confess and try to justify why you read finance news... I’m just saying that it’s even more made-up bullshit than State-Department-ghostwritten CNN stories on U.S. wars, and it’s even more laughably obvious how and why it’s intended to delude the reader into thinking they know more for having read it, because it’s designed to make chumps bet big against the house without realizing it, that’s all
Donating to Michael Bloomberg's campaign because the business press is often better than the liberal press for leftists and therefore that probably translates into politics
— Don Hughes (@getfiscal) November 7, 2019
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marlax78 posted:I think Marxists can exercise a little critical thinking and not take stock advice from strangers in getting financial news. I mean, I don't know about other people here, but if I pull up financial news it's because I want to read about the latest quarterly earnings reports (of companies I don't own or plan to own stock in), PMI and consumer spending data, IMF world economic outlook reports, Fed decisions and so on. The bourgeoisie do need this stuff accurately reported as a class even where certain individuals have an interest in suppressing it. How that data is subsequently interpreted is another matter
Considering the financial press as "data" is as misleading as considering bourg economics a science. Theres no reason to believe that the financial times doesnt fill its pages by the same logic as the nyt, by publishing things that will engage their readership. The idea that financial reporting must be providing Accurate and Reliable Market Analysis in order for the bourg to valorize its capital is unfounded imo, surplus value is produced by extraction of labor from workers, not by clever market manipulations, and the magazines are aimed at people who think its the reverse and pander to their interests and passing trends.
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c_man posted:marlax78 posted:I think Marxists can exercise a little critical thinking and not take stock advice from strangers in getting financial news. I mean, I don't know about other people here, but if I pull up financial news it's because I want to read about the latest quarterly earnings reports (of companies I don't own or plan to own stock in), PMI and consumer spending data, IMF world economic outlook reports, Fed decisions and so on. The bourgeoisie do need this stuff accurately reported as a class even where certain individuals have an interest in suppressing it. How that data is subsequently interpreted is another matter
Considering the financial press as "data" is as misleading as considering bourg economics a science. Theres no reason to believe that the financial times doesnt fill its pages by the same logic as the nyt, by publishing things that will engage their readership. The idea that financial reporting must be providing Accurate and Reliable Market Analysis in order for the bourg to valorize its capital is unfounded imo, surplus value is produced by extraction of labor from workers, not by clever market manipulations, and the magazines are aimed at people who think its the reverse and pander to their interests and passing trends.
The surplus value produced by workers gets redistributed after it's produced, and money capital gets its cut because the breaking up of the circuit of capital between different capitalists is necessitated by an increase in production. We all know this. If finance served no purpose and there's only 'manipulation', it would have ceased as soon as mercantilism produced industrial capital because no one wants to share their profits with a parasite. If financial journalism likewise served no purpose other than to deceive capital it would be illegal
ialdabaoth posted:oh no. he really has gotten fiscaled
uhh
dimashq posted:Donating to Michael Bloomberg's campaign because the business press is often better than the liberal press for leftists and therefore that probably translates into politics
— Don Hughes (@getfiscal) November 7, 2019
thanks for posting this... always happy to share my Ws.
c_man posted:Considering the financial press as "data" is as misleading as considering bourg economics a science. Theres no reason to believe that the financial times doesnt fill its pages by the same logic as the nyt, by publishing things that will engage their readership. The idea that financial reporting must be providing Accurate and Reliable Market Analysis in order for the bourg to valorize its capital is unfounded imo, surplus value is produced by extraction of labor from workers, not by clever market manipulations, and the magazines are aimed at people who think its the reverse and pander to their interests and passing trends.
marlax78 posted:If financial journalism likewise served no purpose other than to deceive capital it would be illegal
at least argue against something someone's actually saying. obviously e.g. CNN world news reporting serves a purpose beyond purely deceiving the reader, that doesn't mean it's chock full of the secrets the ruling class doesn't want you to know about Syria. it's just another banal example of propaganda as news.
the best reason I can find for the rise of "finance news is where they hide all the bare honest super-truths" is 1) a lot of DSA-style left-liberals have never read about finance from any source whatsoever and find it uncomfortable and frightening, which their neurotic psyches convert into something they should be doing, albeit without putting much effort into it, and 2) a smaller amount of DSA-style liberals realize that with a smattering of cargo-cult invocation of the stuff their peers fear, they can command respect they haven't earned for being "serious" types who know all the secret ways that scary-workers-own-means-of-production socialism is bad and won't "work".
tbh though i'm still LOL at the idea that because the bourgeoisie are a lot of people, they therefore find out how their portfolios are doing from CNBC.
marlax78 posted:If finance served no purpose and there's only 'manipulation', it would have ceased as soon as mercantilism produced industrial capital because no one wants to share their profits with a parasite. If financial journalism likewise served no purpose other than to deceive capital it would be illegal
Finance serves a crucial purpose under capitalism but the financial press doesnt express financial news in those terms (allocating capital to improve extraction of surplus value), instead it very explicitly presents its content as necessary advice for investors to make money by following or anticipating trends, with the implication that the canniest of the readers will stand to enhance their fortunes. The reasons given for this never have anything to do with increading exploitation of workers and are almost always attributed to personal qualities of the leaders, market vicissitudes or at most some details of the organizational habits of the company or their supply chains (where any information about global wage arbitrage is hidden). Companies like uber, tesla, etc are obvious scams to anyone with eyes to see but they appear constantly in the financial press. Is this because the financial press is providing Unbiased, Accurate Data to People Who Need It? Or does it have more to do with the marketing the idea that what makes money is being Very Smart to the people who control how that money is applied?
again, the financial press can be used as a means for scamming the petty-bourgeoisie, but so can the stock exchange. marx has lots of comments about that, but it does not mean that the structural purpose of the stock exchange is to scam the petty-bourgeoisie. is uber a scam? i don't think so, but i do know that Michael Roberts has noted that all the profits right now are being made in tech even if there's very little surplus-value being produced there. financial news reflects this. also cars, the upper rungs of the bourgeoisie don't actually check their portfolios. they hire people who manage their money. anecdotally, the only time a certain bourgeois family member of mine ever actually looked at their portfolio was during the aftermath of the recession.
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marlax78 posted:we have to critically collate this from bourgeois sources. there's a constant debate on how to measure the rate of profit for precisely this reason, because bourgeois data is inherently flawed (for us, not for them), and while some people retreat in the face of this difficulty i'd rather reject the view that marxism can't be empirically verified.
This is very different from "the financial press is ideologically neutral and presents bare facts that are crucial for marxists to absorb". The financial press is first and foremost an ideological institution which carefully tailors its "journalism" to its audience, just like every other press sector. You can watch cnn or oprah or read Us Weekly or the nation with a critical eye and scrape out some marxish insights if you work at it. All of these and more are lobbying the bourgeoisie to accept their insights as necessary for success, just as the financial press do. To single the financial press out as uniquely positioned to dispense crucial, unadulterated information because otherwise the bourg would not be able to make Optimal decisions is not only to fall victim to the financial press's own marketing but also to forget that the people they're marketing at are also the aspirational targets for every fad diet and techno-mysticism. Theres useful information there but there's no less ideology and misdirection than any other press sector.
Belphegor posted:what's this interesting and nuanced discussion doing in the twitter thread?!?!
its disgusting. here's an embedded hyperlink with a lot less effort.
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c_man posted:marlax78 posted:we have to critically collate this from bourgeois sources. there's a constant debate on how to measure the rate of profit for precisely this reason, because bourgeois data is inherently flawed (for us, not for them), and while some people retreat in the face of this difficulty i'd rather reject the view that marxism can't be empirically verified.
This is very different from "the financial press is ideologically neutral and presents bare facts that are crucial for marxists to absorb". The financial press is first and foremost an ideological institution which carefully tailors its "journalism" to its audience, just like every other press sector. You can watch cnn or oprah or read Us Weekly or the nation with a critical eye and scrape out some marxish insights if you work at it. All of these and more are lobbying the bourgeoisie to accept their insights as necessary for success, just as the financial press do. To single the financial press out as uniquely positioned to dispense crucial, unadulterated information because otherwise the bourg would not be able to make Optimal decisions is not only to fall victim to the financial press's own marketing but also to forget that the people they're marketing at are also the aspirational targets for every fad diet and techno-mysticism. Theres useful information there but there's no less ideology and misdirection than any other press sector.
you know, i completely agree with you so i retract any arguing i've done in this thread. i worry getting balls deep into classical political economy is going to turn me into a tool
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