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Deus Ex Machinist
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bit188 posted:

i wish i wasn’t so marginal


marginals like you are too mainstream for facebooking subalterns

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Are there any books you would recommend about the Syrian refugee crisis?
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there's a new LLCO? i thought they shut it down, where's my invite Urbandale???

i am currently reading "Marx at the Margins" by Kevin Anderson, which gets into Marx's thoughts on India, Indonesia, China, imperialism, the US Civil War, etc, through his ethnographical notebooks and newspaper articles

it is pretty good, except that Anderson is a Raya Dunayavskeya acolyte, which means he subscribes to the "Engels ruined Marx" school of thought, a line of reasoning so self-evidently stupid that i am always in awe of its sheer audacity

"Marx's collaborator, best friend, and the person personally entrusted by Marx to finish his writings clearly did not understand Marx. those are all irrelevant for understanding Marx, you can only gain insight into Marx through such experiences as being Trotsky's personal secretary"
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I'm reading Passages from Antiquity to Feudalism (and hopefully its sequel later) and also Herodotus cus its fun. If anyone has cool book recommendations on Antiquity that would be sweet.

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Class Struggle in the Ancient Greek World is a good book on antiquity
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we should have a Zimbabwe thread no? I know embarrassingly little and I wanna figure out why Mugabe within a short time went from being an extremly cool Marxist guerilla calling for Rhodesian genocide to agreeing to give Rhodesians automatic political overrepresentation (?) and then was surprised when Rhodesians voted in Iain Smith (??) instead of returning his goodwill (???). was there a threat of Western intervention? Like I really don't get why he gave into accepting weak democratic concessions in exchange for Zero land reform, only to do it halfassedly 20 years later. And then go after rival nationalists with colonialism was still alive and well. The Virgin ZANU vs. Chad FLN etc.
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neckwattle posted:

we should have a Zimbabwe thread no? I know embarrassingly little and I wanna figure out why Mugabe within a short time went from being an extremly cool Marxist guerilla calling for Rhodesian genocide to agreeing to give Rhodesians automatic political overrepresentation (?) and then was surprised when Rhodesians voted in Iain Smith (??) instead of returning his goodwill (???). was there a threat of Western intervention? Like I really don't get why he gave into accepting weak democratic concessions in exchange for Zero land reform, only to do it halfassedly 20 years later. And then go after rival nationalists with colonialism was still alive and well. The Virgin ZANU vs. Chad FLN etc.



make it. the thing about this place is, to start a discussion, you have to read a little and advance some claims that people can either support or shoot down, put some skin in the post game!! that or start a thread by luck just at the right moment that everyone wants to talk about some issue or another, that's what i do

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I think the only reason we don't have a Zimbabwe thread is none of us knew enough to start one.
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UNUSUALY COOL
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Petrol posted:

I think the only reason we don't have a Zimbabwe thread is none of us knew enough to start one.



nah i think it's probably because the anti-imperialism thread became the Zimbabwe thread but that doesn't mean it shouldn't have one

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Dimashq posted:

I'm reading Passages from Antiquity to Feudalism (and hopefully its sequel later) and also Herodotus cus its fun. If anyone has cool book recommendations on Antiquity that would be sweet.


roland boer wrote this thing, haven't found a copy in the wild Online yet

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Dimashq posted:

If anyone has cool book recommendations on Antiquity that would be sweet.



Thucydides, Xenophon, Epicurus, Lucretius, Tacitus, Suetonius, then re-read Marx & Engels & press up B to open your 3rd eye

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if you enjoy Herodotus you'll probably enjoy those guys especially the first two and the last two but I'd recommend the middle two anyway, because Marx wrote his dissertation on Epicurus and i guess that probably matters to you because you post here
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i also recommend at least the beginning of Hegel's lecture series published as Lectures on the Philosophy of History for commentary on the methods of Herodotus etc. and if you go ahead and read the rest of the book it demonstrates pretty well why Marx read Hegel, sighed and drew his katana
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ilmdge posted:

Grinding Up Against Another Man. Then An Explosion of Shots.



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Gibbonstrength posted:

Class Struggle in the Ancient Greek World is a good book on antiquity



Yea I found this in a bookstore like a month ago and it was so expensive. There's some cheaper options online that I found though.

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cars posted:

if you enjoy Herodotus you'll probably enjoy those guys especially the first two and the last two but I'd recommend the middle two anyway, because Marx wrote his dissertation on Epicurus and i guess that probably matters to you because you post here



I actually have this book called The Landmark Thucydides and it's really cool. They have maps (and pictures) next to the text to help situate yourself. They have one for Herodotus too.

http://www.thelandmarkancienthistories.com/Thucydides.htm

I've got the rest on my reading list.

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cars posted:

i also recommend at least the beginning of Hegel's lecture series published as Lectures on the Philosophy of History for commentary on the methods of Herodotus etc. and if you go ahead and read the rest of the book it demonstrates pretty well why Marx read Hegel, sighed and drew his katana



Oh yea I read a lot of this but forgot most of it. It's a pretty cool book even though it's wrong.

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there are some very cheap options available online https://libcom.org/library/class-struggle-ancient-greek-world
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#15101
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not sure there is actually a Good Ethnonationalist Settlerism but good luck
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Petrol posted:

tears posted:

Petrol posted:

is there any way to actually access the papers directly or is it another panama filtered through the obviously very trustworthy eyes of what the GUARDIAN and BBC deem to be important; i want the juicy drug smuggling money deets

the closest they've come to making source docs available on this one is this section in the ICIJ Offshore Leaks database, which also has a broader search function for previous similar leaks but not raw data dumps sadly



Soros, 86, is worth an estimated $25 billion. His Open Society Institute is one of ICIJ’s main funders, granting it $1.5 million last year. The Panama Papers data reveals only the tip of Soros' offshore iceberg, the Quantum Group of Funds. The ICIJ’s leader, journalist Gerard Ryle, said he had not noticed Soros’ companies in the Offshore Leaks database until FoxNews.com called the matter to his attention.

“I suspect we would have more information because the public database … does not contain the underlying data,” Ryle said in an email FoxNews.com.

FoxNews.com has requested access to that data.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/05/16/panama-papers-reveal-george-soros-deep-money-ties-to-secretive-weapons-intel-firm.html

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Caesura109 posted:

reading Eichmann in Jerusalem, for some general history and interesting themes about fascist government. Maybe trying to find the line between Good Zionism and Bad Zionism.


It doesn't exist. I'm reading about this right now, even the supposedly Marxist Zionists were irrevocably fucked - Borochov essentially birthed Ben Gurion and the modern state of Israel. Here's Borochov on the Palestinians in 1905:

“It is the Jewish immigrants who will undertake the development of the forces of production of Eretz Yisra’el, and the local population of Eretz Yisra’el will soon assimilate economically and culturally to the Jews The local population in Eretz Yisra’el is closer to the Jews in racial composition even than any other of the ‘Semitic’ peoples.


That's about as benign as it gets within Zionist thought, the good people end up abandoning Zionism as a framework sooner or later.

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Anyone serious about Zionism would have moved to the Jewish autonomous oblast. That this was not even a consideration for these so called socialists should reveal the real settler colonial logic of zionism.
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Wikipedia has only one entry on 'Palestinian Trotskyism', some guy who worked with Tony Cliff for a while.

Meanwhile I would guess that trotskyism is very strong on the Israeli "left"

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Hannah Arendt is a good example of why there is no good zionism because her attempts to moderate the movement were entirely rejected. Her idea of Jews and Arabs living together in peace is off the table to literally the entire spectrum of currently existing zionists.
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Actually Existing Zionism
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"good zionism"
#15109
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any recs on dialectical philosophy in the ussr?
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Marcuse was CIA
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I read/translated Losurdo's Stalin book from Spanish into English. Or rather I ran it through Google Translate and tried to fix that up, using less than a long-forgotten high school understanding of Spanish grammar. I was clearly woefully underqualified to do this and should not have attempted it (there were multiple times when I almost translated a sentence into its complete opposite) and what I have is not fit for public release BUT hopefully that can change if I could have some other eyes take a look through it because I have already put way too much time into this by myself. You don't have to know any Spanish, you can just point out if something doesn't make sense or could be worded better and I'll add a cool little highlight effect to the text with a note about how bad I am at Spanish. Or you can tell me everything looks good so I publish all my mistakes and discredit the name of forever. So hit me up in the secret PDF forum I guess. Thanks,
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toyotathon posted:

hell yea make a thread



Are the mods cool with that? Copyright and everything. Also I don't feel comfortable publicly linking what I have yet (but maybe that's just me being dumb). You'd have to discuss the thing in one thread and go all the way to the secret PDF forum to actually get the thing!

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#15119
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can you give a quick summary of the main points or whatever
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Mainly it's about putting the Stalin era into historical, political, and philosophical context, like explaining that in order to believe that Stalin = Hitler you have to ignore the historical conditions of Russia, the philosophical bases of Nazism, the things that the Soviet Union was able to achieve, and all the ways the West has been closer to Hitler. That's pretty much the point of the only other thing by Losurdo I've read, his essay "Towards a Critique of the Category of Totalitarianism", and much of this book is an expansion on that idea. And it's less about going step by step through all the accusations and debunking them; there's some of that but it isn't the main focus, or at least, it gets a lot less weight compared to the other stuff. Like there's so much time spent on all the bad things that the West has done that the kneejerk reaction would probably be that it's whataboutism. But I guess Losurdo wanted to stick to the hypocrisy of the mainstream interpretation of Stalin and how it functions in ideology and leave the more head-on questioning of, for example, the Holodomor (it only gets one dedicated subsection) to others.