littlegreenpills posted:settlers really seems to piss some people off, even relatively smart ones like the discourse collective guys what gives
one of them is dumb as rocks and the others often have to gently correct/obliquely contradict him on basic points. i think he's the guy who trashed settlers on twitter, but i'm not really sure which one is which.
karphead posted:how about linking up that source material in XIII that i compiled last august and i will start work on another chapter
is it in that same zip you posted? i assumed it was all one chapter
karphead posted:stegosaurus posted:karphead posted:source material for chapter xiii footnotes:
http://www.crepusculum.org/domus/chapterxiiitest.html
i cannot be arsed to subscribe to the WSJ or Newsweek for access to their archives and was unable to track down a 1979 copy of Social Stratification of the United States. whatevs.this is dope. can i just link all of that stuff directly or do you want me to upload all of it to readsettlers
you should just host the files on your site, but i'll keep mine up as long as my server is up. here's all the files in one zip: http://www.crepusculum.org/domus/lf/settlers.zip
not sure if you missed it earlier in the thread but i also did chapter xiv: http://www.crepusculum.org/domus/test.html
the zip contains the files for both chapters
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glomper_stomper posted:i scanned basic politics of movement security because it was good
http://docdro.id/2zof0Nj
thank
glomper_stomper posted:i scanned basic politics of movement security because it was good
http://docdro.id/2zof0Nj
noice
I have also included a couple of referencers notes where the page references are incorrect either through authour error or me accessing a different printing than the one the authour consulted.
I have searched libgen, openlibrary, open access JSTOR stuff and general google for sources so if I havent found them they're not there (probably), but they may be available through specialised institution access if anyone wants to have a go with the missing stuff - also from a library, or from buying them. The Hofstadter reference 6. was screenshot from googlebooks which is why none of the later hofstader references are availible
References in bold have been found, those not in bold are missing
1. WILLIAM BRADFORD — Of Plymouth Plantation — N.Y., 1952. p. 23
2. MILDRED CAMPBELL — "Social Origins of Some Early Americans". In SMITH, ed., 17th Century America. N.Y., 1972. p. 68. Other accounts are similar. For example, see: C.E. BANKS. The Winthrop Fleet of 1630 — Cambridge. 1930; Morison's account of Sir Walter Raleigh's second Virginia Colony of 1587 describes the colonies as: "All were middle-class English or Irish". (MORISON, p. 657)
referencer's note a) the figures for Campbell are on page 71
3. CAMPBELL — op. cit., p. 82.
referencer's note b) this is an amalgamated quotation, the second half of this quotation is on page 83
4. Treasury Papers 47: 9-11 — Quoted in RICHARD B. MORRIS. Government and Labor In Early America, N.Y., 1946. p. 48.
5. CHRISTOPHER HILL — Reformation to Industrial Revolution — N.Y., 1967. p. 48; p. 64.
6. RICHARD HOFSTADTER — America at 1750 — N.Y., 1973. p. 11-12. This is but one source out of many, all essentially in agreement.
7. MORRIS — op. cit., p. 48.
8. CAMPBELL — op. cit., p. 83.
9. THEODORE ROOSEVELT — The Winning of the West — Vol. I — N.Y., 1900. p. 90.
referencer's note c) the quotation is on page 119
10. WILCOMB E. WASHBURN — "The Moral and Legal Justification for Dispossessing the Indians." In SMITH, ed. p. 23.
11. Testimony of Wilbur R. Jacobs at Sioux Treaty Hearing. In R. DUNBAR ORTIZ — The Great Sioux Nation. San Francisco, 1971. p. 60; HENRY F. DOBYNS "Estimating Aboriginal American Population, An Appraisal of Techniques With a New Hemispheric Estimate." Current Anthropology, Vol. III, No. 4. p. 395.
12. PHILIP GIBSON — Quoted in HOFSTADTER — op. cit. p. 69; also see COOK & SIMPSON (1948).
13. HAROLD E. DRIVER — Indians of North America — Chicago, 1968 — p. 604.
14. N.Y. Times — May 18, 1899.
15. KARL MARX — The Poverty of Philosophy — N.Y., 1963. p. 111.
referencers note d) in chapter 2, fourth observation
16. See: HOFSTADTER-op.cit. p.99; OTTLEY & WEATHERBY, eds.- The Negro In New York — N.Y., 1967; EDITH EVANS ASBURY. "Freed Black Farmers Tilled Manhattan's Soil in the 1600s". N.Y. Times — Dec. 7, 1977.
17. See: VERNER W. CRANE — The Southern Frontier, 1670-1732 — Ann Arbor, 1956; ORTIZ — op. cit. p. 86.
18. GARY B. NASH — Red, White, And Black. Englewood Cliffs. 1974. p. 112-113.
19. ibid.
20. ibid.
21. SAMUEL ELIOT MORISON — The European Discovery of America: The Northern Voyages. N.Y., 1971. p. 678.
22. CLINTON ROSSITER — The First American Revolution — N.Y., 1956. p. 41.
23. HOFSTADTER — op. cit. p. 89-90.
24. ROBERT E. & B. KATHERINE BROWN — Virginia 1705-1786: Democracy or Aristocracy? East Lansing, 1964. p. 22.
25. PHILIP S. FONER — Labor and the American Revolution — Westport, 1976. p. 8-9.
26. JACKSON TURNER MAIN — The Social Structure of Revolutionary America — Princeton, 1965. p. 66-67. While we use Main's findings, it is evident that although Euro-Amerikan historians have widely differing conclusions about class stratification in this period, their factual bases are very similar.
For example, James A. Henretta, in his well-known essay, "Economic Development and Social Structure in Colonial Boston", concludes that the Colonial era was one of rapidly growing settler class inequality, with the "appearance of...'proletarians'."
This is an often-quoted conclusion. Yet, a careful examination of his research shows that: 1. In rural Massachusetts of the 1770's land ownership was near-universal among the settlers (over 90%); 2. Even in Boston, a major urban center, the clear majority of settler men were self-employed property-owners (60-70%); 3.; Henretta himself points out that many settler men who were without taxable property were not poor, but had comfortable incomes and were respected enough to be elected to public office. So, although Henretta chose to stress the appearance of inequality among settlers, his own research confirms the general picture of shared privilege and an exceptional way of life for the Euro-Amerikan conquerers.
27. HOFSTADTER — op. cit. p. 161.
28. AUDREY C. LAND — Bases of the Plantation Society — N.Y., 1969, p. 105.
29. MORRIS — op. cit. p. 40.
30. KARL MARX — 18th Brumaire... In Selected Works (SW) — N.Y., 1960. p. 104.
referencer's note e) in chapter 1 of 18th Brumaire
31. KARL MARX — Wages, Price and Profit — In SW. p. 192.
referencers note f) in chapter 14 of Wages, Price and Profit
32. FONER — op. cit., p. 12.
33. MORRIS — op. cit., p. 46; BROWN & BROWN — op. cit., p. 22.
34. MORRIS — op. cit., p. 45.
35. KARL MARX — SW. p. 226.
referencer's note g) in chapter 2 of Wages, Price and Profit
36. FRED SHANNON — American Farmers Movements — Princeton, 1957. p.9; MORRIS, op. cit., p. 36.
37. HILL — op. cit., p. 36-37.
38. MORRIS — op. cit., p. 36-37.
39. THOMAS J. WERTERNBAKER — The Shaping of Colonial Virginia — N.Y., 1958. p. 134.
40. MORRIS — op. cit., p. 29.
heres a zipof all the stuff: LiNK
have fun not reading any of this
also i noted that theres no acknowledgements of everyones hard work on readsettlers . org?? (subtext: i am needy and crave acknowledgement for doing this)
edit: i forgot thatalthough reference 1, bradford is availible at link i have no clue where sakai is refereing to because while p23 does allude to being in holland it doesnt talk about most of what sakai is sayin, nor have the quote "to every family a parcel of land”
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glomper_stomper posted:i scanned basic politics of movement security because it was good
http://docdro.id/2zof0Nj
Do we want to put this up on the site? I can OCR it if so.
yes yes,chapter 2 is now referenced to the best of my ability. Much more sources were availible than chapter 1. struckthrough refs i now have, refs in brackets are on openlibrary but being borrowed by someone else im waiting for them to become availible
To the memory of NATHANIEL BACON BORN IN ENGLAND JANUARY 2 1647 CAME TO VIRGINIA 1674 A great patriot leader of the Virginia People who died while defending their rights October 26 1676 VICTRIX CAUSA DEIS PLACUIT SED VICTA CATONI (The victorious cause pleased the gods, but the conquered cause pleased Cato, from the Roman epic poem Pharsalia by Lucan, also note the plaque is misspelt and it should be DIIS not DEIS)
4. Except as otherwise noted, events in Bacon's Rebellion are taken from WILCOMB E. WASHBURN. The Governor and the Rebel. Chapel Hill, 1957.
(10. For a brief account, see: SAMUEL ELIOT MORISON. Oxford History of the American People. N.Y., 1965. p. 119-122.)
17. ROI OTTLEY. Black Odyssey. London, 1949. p. 63.
23. OTTLEY, op. cit., p. 65.
28. FONER. Labor and ..., p. 184. 15. FONER. History ..., p. 145.
NBNBNB there is a mistake here "15. FONER. History ..., p. 145." should be deleted asit is from the references for chapter 3

got banned for posting this on leftypol lol
2. Ottley, op. cit., p. 57.
edit; slight update. i have now checked all these to make sure they actually refer to what sakai is talking about and that the page numbers are correct
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1. All references to discussions at the conference from: The African World, Vol. N, No. 5, July, 1974: “Historic ALSC Conference Discussed: WHICH ROAD FOR BLACK PEOPLE?”
2 Black Revolution. Vol. 1, No. 1, Winter 1980: “Editorial: The Party Line”
and i updated the intro. ty.
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only Ch.1 has links to sources (still hosted at the other site w/no aesthetic cleanup), planning to add the rest when i have time
toutvabien posted:i took on a dumb project to make some stuff from marxists dot org (namely Mao's Quotations) look a bit cleaner/more kawaii, please add lil.red to the webring
only Ch.1 has links to sources (still hosted at the other site w/no aesthetic cleanup), planning to add the rest when i have time
hey, cool.
cars posted:the rhizzone's slow descent into kawaii
So much for the tolerant left pic.twitter.com/1nvebc6fNQ
— 🐝⭐️ (@Stars_Bee) June 27, 2017
toutvabien posted:i took on a dumb project to make some stuff from marxists dot org (namely Mao's Quotations) look a bit cleaner/more kawaii, please add lil.red to the webring
you got it buddy
wow, that really jumps out at ya
"Read Settlers by J. Sakai!" I holler, overturning my uncle's BBQ grill and turning the 4th of July into the 4th of RAIM.
— Matt Christman (@cushbomb) July 1, 2017

slipdisco posted:guise, have you checked out the anarchist's readsettlers.org? the design is horridly fashionable
it's fucking awful lol
slipdisco posted:guise, have you checked out the anarchist's readsettlers.org? the design is horridly fashionable
center-justified ad-copy text with non-descriptive App Land icons... yeah that's current design philosophy all right, all it's missing is cute momblog handwriting fonts
slipdisco posted:ooh also
"Read Settlers by J. Sakai!" I holler, overturning my uncle's BBQ grill and turning the 4th of July into the 4th of RAIM.
— Matt Christman (@cushbomb) July 1, 2017
again I sometimes get the feeling with these guys, people I think are funny enough, that they're for some reason deeply worried that they're going to be found out as sincere proponents of their own stated beliefs and burn a little too much comedy time deflecting that fear. but I guess a lot of their readers/listeners feel the same way so it's maybe fine, it's just off-putting to me because unlike their fans they're not risking getting fired over it or anything.