#521
uphold Wolfean-Kleinist thought
#522
lol just got caught up on all the settlers pantshitting in the past couple months. good job friends.
#523
settlers really seems to piss some people off, even relatively smart ones like the discourse collective guys what gives
#524
(As an aside, why lim­it the cat­egory of “set­tler” to those from Europe? People from Africa were im­por­ted to the west­ern
#525

littlegreenpills posted:

settlers really seems to piss some people off, even relatively smart ones like the discourse collective guys what gives



one of them is dumb as rocks and the others often have to gently correct/obliquely contradict him on basic points. i think he's the guy who trashed settlers on twitter, but i'm not really sure which one is which.

#526
how about linking up that source material in XIII that i compiled last august and i will start work on another chapter

#527
i done part of chapter 1, so dont do that one. its just hanging round waiting for me to finish
#528

karphead posted:

how about linking up that source material in XIII that i compiled last august and i will start work on another chapter


is it in that same zip you posted? i assumed it was all one chapter

#529

karphead posted:

stegosaurus posted:

karphead posted:

source material for chapter xiii footnotes:

http://www.crepusculum.org/domus/chapterxiiitest.html

i cannot be arsed to subscribe to the WSJ or Newsweek for access to their archives and was unable to track down a 1979 copy of Social Stratification of the United States. whatevs.

this is dope. can i just link all of that stuff directly or do you want me to upload all of it to readsettlers

you should just host the files on your site, but i'll keep mine up as long as my server is up. here's all the files in one zip: http://www.crepusculum.org/domus/lf/settlers.zip

not sure if you missed it earlier in the thread but i also did chapter xiv: http://www.crepusculum.org/domus/test.html

the zip contains the files for both chapters




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#530
Newly single and hittin' the gym, beach season boys!

#531
The pic is me
#532
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#533

glomper_stomper posted:

i scanned basic politics of movement security because it was good

http://docdro.id/2zof0Nj


thank

#534

glomper_stomper posted:

i scanned basic politics of movement security because it was good

http://docdro.id/2zof0Nj


noice

#535
:siren : I have done my best to track down references for chapter 1. Only about half have been found. Because i like sources I’ve provided full chapters where available, rather than just the exact passage being referenced. Except for the marx stuff which is easily accessible online, where I have provided the paragraph as well as a referencers note below as to which chapter of which work they can be found in, rather than sakai's references to collected works.

I have also included a couple of referencers notes where the page references are incorrect either through authour error or me accessing a different printing than the one the authour consulted.

I have searched libgen, openlibrary, open access JSTOR stuff and general google for sources so if I havent found them they're not there (probably), but they may be available through specialised institution access if anyone wants to have a go with the missing stuff - also from a library, or from buying them. The Hofstadter reference 6. was screenshot from googlebooks which is why none of the later hofstader references are availible

References in bold have been found, those not in bold are missing

1. WILLIAM BRADFORD — Of Plymouth Plantation — N.Y., 1952. p. 23

2. MILDRED CAMPBELL — "Social Origins of Some Early Americans". In SMITH, ed., 17th Century America. N.Y., 1972. p. 68. Other accounts are similar. For example, see: C.E. BANKS. The Winthrop Fleet of 1630 — Cambridge. 1930; Morison's account of Sir Walter Raleigh's second Virginia Colony of 1587 describes the colonies as: "All were middle-class English or Irish". (MORISON, p. 657)
referencer's note a) the figures for Campbell are on page 71

3. CAMPBELL — op. cit., p. 82.

referencer's note b) this is an amalgamated quotation, the second half of this quotation is on page 83

4. Treasury Papers 47: 9-11 — Quoted in RICHARD B. MORRIS. Government and Labor In Early America, N.Y., 1946. p. 48.

5. CHRISTOPHER HILL — Reformation to Industrial Revolution — N.Y., 1967. p. 48; p. 64.

6. RICHARD HOFSTADTER — America at 1750 — N.Y., 1973. p. 11-12. This is but one source out of many, all essentially in agreement.

7. MORRIS — op. cit., p. 48.

8. CAMPBELL — op. cit., p. 83.

9. THEODORE ROOSEVELT — The Winning of the West — Vol. I — N.Y., 1900. p. 90.

referencer's note c) the quotation is on page 119

10. WILCOMB E. WASHBURN — "The Moral and Legal Justification for Dispossessing the Indians." In SMITH, ed. p. 23.

11. Testimony of Wilbur R. Jacobs at Sioux Treaty Hearing. In R. DUNBAR ORTIZ — The Great Sioux Nation. San Francisco, 1971. p. 60; HENRY F. DOBYNS "Estimating Aboriginal American Population, An Appraisal of Techniques With a New Hemispheric Estimate." Current Anthropology, Vol. III, No. 4. p. 395.

12. PHILIP GIBSON — Quoted in HOFSTADTER — op. cit. p. 69; also see COOK & SIMPSON (1948).

13. HAROLD E. DRIVER — Indians of North America — Chicago, 1968 — p. 604.

14. N.Y. Times — May 18, 1899.

15. KARL MARX — The Poverty of Philosophy — N.Y., 1963. p. 111.

referencers note d) in chapter 2, fourth observation

16. See: HOFSTADTER-op.cit. p.99; OTTLEY & WEATHERBY, eds.- The Negro In New York — N.Y., 1967; EDITH EVANS ASBURY. "Freed Black Farmers Tilled Manhattan's Soil in the 1600s". N.Y. Times — Dec. 7, 1977.

17. See: VERNER W. CRANE — The Southern Frontier, 1670-1732 — Ann Arbor, 1956; ORTIZ — op. cit. p. 86.

18. GARY B. NASH — Red, White, And Black. Englewood Cliffs. 1974. p. 112-113.

19. ibid.

20. ibid.

21. SAMUEL ELIOT MORISON — The European Discovery of America: The Northern Voyages. N.Y., 1971. p. 678.

22. CLINTON ROSSITER — The First American Revolution — N.Y., 1956. p. 41.

23. HOFSTADTER — op. cit. p. 89-90.

24. ROBERT E. & B. KATHERINE BROWN — Virginia 1705-1786: Democracy or Aristocracy? East Lansing, 1964. p. 22.

25. PHILIP S. FONER — Labor and the American Revolution — Westport, 1976. p. 8-9.

26. JACKSON TURNER MAIN — The Social Structure of Revolutionary America — Princeton, 1965. p. 66-67. While we use Main's findings, it is evident that although Euro-Amerikan historians have widely differing conclusions about class stratification in this period, their factual bases are very similar.

For example, James A. Henretta, in his well-known essay, "Economic Development and Social Structure in Colonial Boston", concludes that the Colonial era was one of rapidly growing settler class inequality, with the "appearance of...'proletarians'."

This is an often-quoted conclusion. Yet, a careful examination of his research shows that: 1. In rural Massachusetts of the 1770's land ownership was near-universal among the settlers (over 90%); 2. Even in Boston, a major urban center, the clear majority of settler men were self-employed property-owners (60-70%); 3.; Henretta himself points out that many settler men who were without taxable property were not poor, but had comfortable incomes and were respected enough to be elected to public office. So, although Henretta chose to stress the appearance of inequality among settlers, his own research confirms the general picture of shared privilege and an exceptional way of life for the Euro-Amerikan conquerers.

27. HOFSTADTER — op. cit. p. 161.

28. AUDREY C. LAND — Bases of the Plantation Society — N.Y., 1969, p. 105.

29. MORRIS — op. cit. p. 40.

30. KARL MARX — 18th Brumaire... In Selected Works (SW) — N.Y., 1960. p. 104.

referencer's note e) in chapter 1 of 18th Brumaire

31. KARL MARX — Wages, Price and Profit — In SW. p. 192.

referencers note f) in chapter 14 of Wages, Price and Profit

32. FONER — op. cit., p. 12.

33. MORRIS — op. cit., p. 46; BROWN & BROWN — op. cit., p. 22.

34. MORRIS — op. cit., p. 45.

35. KARL MARX — SW. p. 226.

referencer's note g) in chapter 2 of Wages, Price and Profit

36. FRED SHANNON — American Farmers Movements — Princeton, 1957. p.9; MORRIS, op. cit., p. 36.

37. HILL — op. cit., p. 36-37.

38. MORRIS — op. cit., p. 36-37.

39. THOMAS J. WERTERNBAKER — The Shaping of Colonial Virginia — N.Y., 1958. p. 134.

40. MORRIS — op. cit., p. 29.


heres a zipof all the stuff: LiNK

have fun not reading any of this


also i noted that theres no acknowledgements of everyones hard work on readsettlers . org?? (subtext: i am needy and crave acknowledgement for doing this)

edit: i forgot thatalthough reference 1, bradford is availible at link i have no clue where sakai is refereing to because while p23 does allude to being in holland it doesnt talk about most of what sakai is sayin, nor have the quote "to every family a parcel of land”

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#536

glomper_stomper posted:

i scanned basic politics of movement security because it was good

http://docdro.id/2zof0Nj



Do we want to put this up on the site? I can OCR it if so.

#537
me and karphead are relauunching referencesettlers.org. all welcome. am doing chapter two now at the moment, that leaves 3-12
#538
:sirem:
yes yes,chapter 2 is now referenced to the best of my ability. Much more sources were availible than chapter 1. struckthrough refs i now have, refs in brackets are on openlibrary but being borrowed by someone else im waiting for them to become availible

1. HERBERT APTHEKER. The Colonial Era. N.Y., 1959. p. 62.

referencer's note a) the second edition (1966) was accessed. Quotation spans pages 62-63

2. THEODORE W. ALLEN. Class Struggle and the Origins of Slavery. Somerville, 1976. p. 34.

referencer's note b) this is the 2006 second edition with new introduction by Jeffrey B. Perry, created as a pdf from text at http://clogic.eserver.org/2006/allen.html (accessed 27-05-2017). This is a split quotation, the first half can be found on page 13 and the second half on page 14 of this version

3. A photograph of this plaque can be seen in: CHARLES W.H. WARNER. Road to Revolution. Richmond, 1961.

referencer's note c) this is a recent photograph of the Virginia State Capital Chamber of Delegates with the plaque visible and legable. The full text reads:

To the memory of NATHANIEL BACON BORN IN ENGLAND JANUARY 2 1647 CAME TO VIRGINIA 1674 A great patriot leader of the Virginia People who died while defending their rights October 26 1676 VICTRIX CAUSA DEIS PLACUIT SED VICTA CATONI (The victorious cause pleased the gods, but the conquered cause pleased Cato, from the Roman epic poem Pharsalia by Lucan, also note the plaque is misspelt and it should be DIIS not DEIS)

4. Except as otherwise noted, events in Bacon's Rebellion are taken from WILCOMB E. WASHBURN. The Governor and the Rebel. Chapel Hill, 1957.

5. BERNARD BAILYN. "Politics and Social Structure in Virginia." In SMITH, op. cit., p. 103-104; also WASHBURN. p. 17-19.

6. SHANNON. op. cit., p. 109-110. Bacon's own account, written on June 8, 1676, is there as well.

7. WARNER. op. cit., p. 21-22.

8. PHILIP S. FONER. History of the Labor Movement of the United States. Vol. I. N.Y., 1978. p. 29

(9. LOUIS ADAMIC. A Nation of Nations. N.Y., 1945. p. 288.)

(10. For a brief account, see: SAMUEL ELIOT MORISON. Oxford History of the American People. N.Y., 1965. p. 119-122.)

11. JACK HARDY. The First American Revolution. N.Y., 1937. p. 37-38.

12. ibid. p. 72.

13. RICHARD C. WADE. The Urban Frontier. Chicago, 1971. p. 2.

14. FONER. Labor and... p. 182-183.

15. WINTHROP D. JORDAN. White Over Black. N.Y., 1969. p. 115.

16. THOMAS PAINE. Selected Writings, N.Y., 1945. p. 29. John C. Miller states in his Origins of the American Revolution that "the patriots proclaimed themselves the champions of white supremacy against the British Government..." (p. 478-479).

17. ROI OTTLEY. Black Odyssey. London, 1949. p. 63.

18. BENJAMIN QUARLES. The Negro In The American Revolution. Chapel Hill, 1961. p. x.

19. ibid, p. 118-119.

20. ibid, p. 131.

21. LERONE BENNETT, JR. Before the Mayflower. Baltimore, 1968. p. 62; OTTLEY, op. cit., p. 65; etc.

22. QUARLES, op. cit., p. 28; OTTLEY, op. cit., p. 63.

23. OTTLEY, op. cit., p. 65.

24. BENNETT, JR. op. cit., P. 58.

25. QUARLES. op. cit., p. 30.

26. BENNETT, JR. op. cit., p. 59: OTTLEY. op. cit., p. 73-74.

27. BENNET, JR., op. cit., p. 59; OTTLEY, op. cit., p. 73-74.

28. FONER. Labor and ..., p. 184. 15. FONER. History ..., p. 145.

NBNBNB there is a mistake here "15. FONER. History ..., p. 145." should be deleted asit is from the references for chapter 3

29. QUARLES, op. cit., p. 171-172.


i wont bother uploading them as a zip until stego wants them
#539


got banned for posting this on leftypol lol
#540
Chapter 3. everything with strikethrough has been found.

1. Hofstadter, op. cit., p. 4.

referencer's note a) the passage Sakai appears to be referring to is on page 6

2. Ottley, op. cit., p. 57.

3. See: Ronald T. Takaki, Iron Cages (NY, 1979), pp. 42-45; Winthrop D. Jordan, op. cit., pp. 429-440.

4. Takaki, op. cit., p. 44.

5. Stephen B. Oates, The Fires of Jubilee (NY, 1975), pp. 135-136.

referencer's note b) pages 135-136 do not refer to sakai's paragraph, I believe the reference should be pp.154-155, I have included pp. 116-166 as this is the bulk of the book's discussion on reactions to Nat Turner's slave rebellion

6. Richard C. Wade, Slavery in the Cities (NY, 1964), pp. 1-27.

referencer's note c) there is nothing on pages 1-2 except the book title, see specifically pp. 16-21

7. J.G. Tregle, Jr. "Early New Orleans Society: A Reappraisal." Journal of Southern History, Feb. 1952, p. 34.

referencer's note d) the referred to passage is on page 33

8. Wade, Slavery in the Cities op. cit., p. 245.

9. Ibid., p. 219.

10. Ottley, p. 83.

11. Robert S. Starobin, Industrial Slavery in the Old South (NY, 1975), p. 88; Herbert Aptheker, To Be Free (NY, 1969), p. 73.

12. Ibid.

13. Wade, Slavery in the Cities op. cit., p. 235.

14. Ibid., pp. 16-19.

15. Ibid., p. 264

16. Starobin, op. cit., pp. 157-160.

17. Eugene D. Genovese, The Political Economy of Slavery (NY, 1965), p. 163.

18. Henry Nash Smith, Virgin Land (NY, 1950), p. 243.

reference's note e) this is the 1970 reissue, the quotation is on page 207

19. Genovese, op. cit., p. 231.

thats enough referencing for now, chapter 4 is huge so will take a while, maybe ill take a break


edit; slight update. i have now checked all these to make sure they actually refer to what sakai is talking about and that the page numbers are correct

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#541
alright ill get to work on all this.
#542
cool, do you want me to upload zips for chap 2 and 3 for you now?
#543
also i note the introduction on readsettlers is missing its two references:

1. All references to discussions at the conference from: The African World, Vol. N, No. 5, July, 1974: “Historic ALSC Conference Discussed: WHICH ROAD FOR BLACK PEOPLE?”

2 Black Revolution. Vol. 1, No. 1, Winter 1980: “Editorial: The Party Line”
#544
yeah upload them. xiii is finished now, i think? a couple things were missing http://readsettlers.org/ch13.html

and i updated the intro. ty.

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#545
ok, iwill
#546
i'll start work on chapter twelve
#547
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#548
i took on a dumb project to make some stuff from marxists dot org (namely Mao's Quotations) look a bit cleaner/more kawaii, please add lil.red to the webring

only Ch.1 has links to sources (still hosted at the other site w/no aesthetic cleanup), planning to add the rest when i have time
#549
the rhizzone's slow descent into kawaii
#550

toutvabien posted:

i took on a dumb project to make some stuff from marxists dot org (namely Mao's Quotations) look a bit cleaner/more kawaii, please add lil.red to the webring

only Ch.1 has links to sources (still hosted at the other site w/no aesthetic cleanup), planning to add the rest when i have time


hey, cool.

#551

cars posted:

the rhizzone's slow descent into kawaii


#552

toutvabien posted:

i took on a dumb project to make some stuff from marxists dot org (namely Mao's Quotations) look a bit cleaner/more kawaii, please add lil.red to the webring



you got it buddy



wow, that really jumps out at ya

#553
guise, have you checked out the anarchist's readsettlers.org? the design is horridly fashionable
#554
ooh also
#555
#556

slipdisco posted:

guise, have you checked out the anarchist's readsettlers.org? the design is horridly fashionable


it's fucking awful lol

#557

slipdisco posted:

guise, have you checked out the anarchist's readsettlers.org? the design is horridly fashionable



center-justified ad-copy text with non-descriptive App Land icons... yeah that's current design philosophy all right, all it's missing is cute momblog handwriting fonts

#558

slipdisco posted:

ooh also



again I sometimes get the feeling with these guys, people I think are funny enough, that they're for some reason deeply worried that they're going to be found out as sincere proponents of their own stated beliefs and burn a little too much comedy time deflecting that fear. but I guess a lot of their readers/listeners feel the same way so it's maybe fine, it's just off-putting to me because unlike their fans they're not risking getting fired over it or anything.

#559
i never did upload the sources which are sat on computer in 200mb zips, im sure everyone has been devastated that they couldnt read all these sources. maybe ill upload the sources in some time
#560
maybe you should do it now