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hey fape wheres your friend xipe been lately?
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would you really be surprised if they were like cousins or something
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http://www.workers.org/2016/12/19/a-young-workers-take-on-syria/
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Who's xipe?
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fape posted:

Who's xipe?



A truly good man is not aware of his goodness,
And is therefore good.
A foolish man tries to be good,
And is therefore not good.

A truly good man does nothing,
Yet nothing is left undone.
A foolish man is always doing,
Yet much remains to be done

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torture dungeons, but surprisingly pleasant dragons
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pogfan1996 posted:

http://www.workers.org/2016/12/19/a-young-workers-take-on-syria/



this is very pro-click and should be shared with any misinformed comrades

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Urbandale posted:

this is relatively handy

https://syriainbrief.wordpress.com/2016/08/19/leftist-groups-on-the-syrian-civil-war/



a late reply to this but i thought i'd sort out the list to easily see which orgs got duped by western media

Supports Syrian Government:
Foro de São Paulo
Freedom Road Socialist Organization (Maoist faction) (FRSO-M)
International Committee for the Fourth International (ICFI)
International Communist Seminar (ICS)
International Meeting of Communist and Workers’ Parties (IMCWP)
League of Revolutionaries for a New America (LRNA)
Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL)
U.S. Marxist-Leninist Organization (USMLO)
Workers Party, USA (WPUSA)
Workers World Party (WWP)

Neutral or YPG Only:
Alliance for Workers’ Liberty (AWL)
Anarkismo
Coordinating Committee for the Refoundation of the Fourth International (CRFI)
Fourth International (International Center of Reconstruction) (FI-ICR)
Freedom Road Socialist Organization (Leninist faction) (FRSO-L)
International Bolshevik Tendency (IBT)
International Communist Current (ICC)
International Communist League – Fourth Internationalist (ICL-FI)
International Communist Party (ICP)
International Conference of Marxist-Leninist Parties and Organizations (Unity & Struggle) (ICMLPO-US)
International Coordination of Revolutionary Parties and Organizations (ICOR)
International Marxist Tendency (IMT)
International of Anarchist Federations (IAF)
International Workers Association (IWA)
Internationalist Communist Tendency (ICT)
Internationalist Communist Union (ICU)
League for the Fourth International (L4I)
Progressive Labor Party (PLP)
Revolutionary Communist Party, USA (RCPUSA)
Revolutionary Organization of Labor (ROL)
Revolutionary Regroupment
Socialist Action
Trotskyist Fraction – Fourth International (TF-FI)
Workers Solidarity Alliance (WSA)
World Socialist Movement (WSM)

Supports Opposition:
Committee for a Workers’ International (CWI)
Communist Voice Organization (CVO)
Freedom Socialist Party
International Marxist-Humanist Organization (IMHO)
International Socialist Organization (ISO)
International Socialist Tendency (IST)
International Workers League – Fourth International (IWL-FI)
International Workers’ Unity – Fourth International (IWU-FI)
Labor Standard
League for the Fifth International (L5I)
News & Letters Committees (N&LC)
Revolutionary Communist International Tendency (RCIT)
Socialist Workers Organization (SWO)
Socialist Workers Party (SWP)
Solidarity
United Secretariat of the Fourth International (USFI)

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Synergy posted:

Supports Opposition:
Committee for a Workers’ International (CWI)
Communist Voice Organization (CVO)
Freedom Socialist Party
International Marxist-Humanist Organization (IMHO)
International Socialist Organization (ISO)
International Socialist Tendency (IST)
International Workers League – Fourth International (IWL-FI)
International Workers’ Unity – Fourth International (IWU-FI)
Labor Standard
League for the Fifth International (L5I)
News & Letters Committees (N&LC)
Revolutionary Communist International Tendency (RCIT)
Socialist Workers Organization (SWO)
Socialist Workers Party (SWP)
Solidarity
United Secretariat of the Fourth International (USFI)



The Trot Zone™

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international marxist-humanist organisation? imho that's pretty dumb. how can you be marxist, with material conditions being paramount, and humanist.

Edited by Red_Canadian ()

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pogfan1996 posted:

Synergy posted:


Supports Opposition:
Committee for a Workers’ International (CWI)
Communist Voice Organization (CVO)
Freedom Socialist Party
International Marxist-Humanist Organization (IMHO)
International Socialist Organization (ISO)
International Socialist Tendency (IST)
International Workers League – Fourth International (IWL-FI)
International Workers’ Unity – Fourth International (IWU-FI)
Labor Standard
League for the Fifth International (L5I)
News & Letters Committees (N&LC)
Revolutionary Communist International Tendency (RCIT)
Socialist Workers Organization (SWO)
Socialist Workers Party (SWP)
Solidarity
United Secretariat of the Fourth International (USFI)




The Trot Zone™


Fourth, fifth, and sixth Internationals represented

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Some more "Never-Assadists":

International Socialist Aberration
United Workers Apparat of the Umpteenth International
Boys' Life Magazine
Socialist-but-with-Freedom Marxist Not-Stalinist Party
¡El Solidaritario!
Unity Standard Organization United (R-ML)

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Red_Canadian posted:

international marxist-humanist organisation? imho that's pretty dumb. how can you be marxist, with material conditions being paramount, and humanist.



if you don't have a set of moral values to judge successes and failures against, how can you advocate for any kind of change in the real world?

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shame that IMHO got duped but at least ICP stayed sensible
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Panopticon posted:

Red_Canadian posted:

international marxist-humanist organisation? imho that's pretty dumb. how can you be marxist, with material conditions being paramount, and humanist.

if you don't have a set of moral values to judge successes and failures against, how can you advocate for any kind of change in the real world?



morality is not humanism

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Panopticon posted:

Red_Canadian posted:

international marxist-humanist organisation? imho that's pretty dumb. how can you be marxist, with material conditions being paramount, and humanist.

if you don't have a set of moral values to judge successes and failures against, how can you advocate for any kind of change in the real world?



Read Althusser my ninja

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pogfan1996 posted:

morality is not humanism



maybe red canadian should explain why marxism and humanism are incompatible

Gibbonstrength posted:

Read Althusser my ninja



which particular argument or idea of his is important here

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88888 posted:

shame that IMHO got duped but at least ICP stayed sensible



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Panopticon posted:

Gibbonstrength posted:

Read Althusser my ninja



which particular argument or idea of his is important here



the one to read Althusser, also nice gendering

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Panopticons posting style is cool because they never post anything of substance or value and just constantly demand people explain stuff to them. If you ever do respond with anything in depth you get inane one line responses
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disagreements are a necessary element of tHE r H i z z o n E posting ecology, and "read althusser" in itself is not a particularly helpful post. 2017 is fast approaching, and if communism is to stand any chance on the message boards of the world we're going to need to learn to suck actual arguments out of the authors we namedrop
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shitposts are a necessary element of tHE r H i z z o n E posting ecology, recycling organic matter and fertilising the forum soil for the next posting season
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pogfan1996 posted:

Panopticons posting style is cool because they never post anything of substance or value and just constantly demand people explain stuff to them. If you ever do respond with anything in depth you get inane one line responses



red canadian positioned the "material being paramount" of marxism as being opposed to something he never enunciated about humanism. i assumed that the something was moralism. if that assumption was wrong he will have to tell us.

or someone else could come up with an argument for why humanism is incompatible with marxism. if althusser already has, give me a synopsis of his argument.

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here is something you could read:

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1964/marxism-humanism.htm

This is at the beginning of Part III

In 1845, Marx broke radically with every theory that based history and politics on an essence of man. This unique rupture contained three indissociable elements.

(1) The formation of a theory of history and politics based on radically new concepts: the concepts of social formation, productive forces, relations of production, superstructure, ideologies, determination in the last instance by the economy, specific determination of the other levels, etc.

(2) A radical critique of the theoretical pretensions of every philosophical humanism.

(3) The definition of humanism as an ideology.

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I pretty much got the gist in five minutes of googling. It's not that difficult to approach, and it helps to spend some time becoming familiar with humanism and antihumanism anyway.
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pogfan1996 posted:

Panopticons posting style is cool because they never post anything of substance or value and just constantly demand people explain stuff to them. If you ever do respond with anything in depth you get inane one line responses



I'm glad they did, now I'm reading Althusser.

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at a cafe?
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it's mostly based on the fact that Marxism is very much about human potential, but the idea that it, and morality in general, is influenced by material conditions. humanism seems more that kind of liberal bs, the rich are just misunderstood and if we all work together we can solve problems. we are the ones who plan to storm heaven, can't say i've heard of any revolutions based on humanism.
the way we think is obviously important, but how it effects the world matters more.
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i recommended Althusser without further comment because it's not my appointed role to tackle panopticon every time he asks for data inputs or whatever he wants.
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Gibbonstrength posted:

i recommended Althusser without further comment because it's not my appointed role to tackle panopticon every time he asks for data inputs or whatever he wants.



dont be surprised when you fail to convince anyone of your arguments then