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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-defector-idUSKCN10S0CY
eh whatever
https://redyouth.org/2016/08/19/north-korean-minister-thae-defects-imperialist-media-gloat-but-they-have-won-nothing/
Keven posted:Whats CPGB (mainline) and CPGB-BX say about it
Well....
From the CPGB (PCC) platform:
EmanuelaBrolandi posted:gay_swimmer's slow descent into madness
yeah, but seriously. the guardian ran this photo:
the WSJ ran this photo:
it's the same for stories about nuclear development, every single outlet will have a picture of some south koreans looking at a tv in a department store window or whatever the fuck, it is the most aggravating visual cliche
gay_swimmer posted:EmanuelaBrolandi posted:
gay_swimmer's slow descent into madness
yeah, but seriously. the guardian ran this photo:
the WSJ ran this photo:
it's the same for stories about nuclear development, every single outlet will have a picture of some south koreans looking at a tv in a department store window or whatever the fuck, it is the most aggravating visual cliche
That's so you know it's SOUTH korea because only south korea has impressive television technology thanks to the wonders of capitalism
gay_swimmer posted:
your av triggers me
aerdil posted:"Anti-Stalinist left" big surprise there
what is it about trots and legalizing sex with kids
getfiscal posted:
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH EVERYONE
Synergy posted:people here have told me to keep an open mind ... but after watching this Nat Geo documentary
Catchphrase
there is a fundamental difference in approaching political understanding from a moralist pov vs a materialist one. when people dont approach politics from a materialist pov, false reports of gaddafi giving his soldiers viagra so they can rape more caused people to question whether they can support libya. as the bombs rained down and the worst sorts of reactionaries were installed, many on the liberal left stayed silent or nodded with approval. the same thing is happening in syria and happened in yugoslavia. this is a copy-paste propaganda strategy for dismantling domestic opposition to imperialism.
you might appreciate this kind of account from the DPRK
https://www.liberationnews.org/my-trip-to-north-korea-13-misconceptions-corrected/
Synergy posted:in the past people here have told me to keep an open mind about the DPRK but after watching this Nat Geo documentary (skip to 30:48) it makes it really hard to justify supporting them. i mean sure, some of it is typical western propaganda but when you have defector guards recounting brutal conditions it's just... idk
after being detained for months in a re-education, sorry settlement support camp run by the south korean ministry of unification, dprk defectors get money from a variety of right-wing south korean organizations to give talks and testimony about conditions. the pay for such talks literally scales based on how brutal and depraved the testimony is. shockingly, a lot of defector tales have proven to contain large inconsistencies and outright lying.
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(sighs and then flips switch on giant board from "Support" to "Don't Support" for Red Korea)
aerdil posted:after being detained for months in a re-education, sorry settlement support camp run by the south korean ministry of unification, dprk defectors get money from a variety of right-wing south korean organizations to give talks and testimony about conditions. the pay for such talks literally scales based on how brutal and depraved the testimony is. shockingly, a lot of defector tales have proven to contain large inconsistencies and outright lying.
Do you have an actual article describing this in depth? I've been watching a lot of natural geographic vids on animals around the world and they've been really well done so i assumed they'd wouldn't just go completely off the rails on another subject. so are you saying the whole video is a complete fabrication?
Synergy posted:so are you saying the whole video is a complete fabrication?
whoops, for some reason i thought they were independent from the news conglomerates
nvm, disregard my bad posts
Synergy posted:aerdil posted:after being detained for months in a re-education, sorry settlement support camp run by the south korean ministry of unification, dprk defectors get money from a variety of right-wing south korean organizations to give talks and testimony about conditions. the pay for such talks literally scales based on how brutal and depraved the testimony is. shockingly, a lot of defector tales have proven to contain large inconsistencies and outright lying.
Do you have an actual article describing this in depth? I've been watching a lot of natural geographic vids on animals around the world and they've been really well done so i assumed they'd wouldn't just go completely off the rails on another subject. so are you saying the whole video is a complete fabrication?
Animal facts have far less political impact than countering anti-DPRK propaganda. If you're looking for political analysis that is dedicated to countering claims by the US against the DPRK, this is a decent place to start
https://www.liberationnews.org/tag/north-korea/
edit: It doesnt matter of they are independent of fox news or not, the media system heavily discourages narratives that run counter to US interests. if you need an intro to this a lot of leftists start with noam chomsky and manufacturing consent
pogfan1996 posted:aerdil posted:
If you're looking for political analysis that is dedicated to countering claims by the US against the DPRK, this is a decent place to start
https://www.liberationnews.org/tag/north-korea/
Thanks. I still have some questions about the video I posted though. At the end when all the patients are thanking the Kims instead of the doctors, what's the deal with that? Are the subtitles wrong, or is that just a cultural thing the NK people believe? Also, why do they restrict filming/photos so much? Is it to prevent the western media from manipulating the images or something?
Synergy posted:aerdil posted:after being detained for months in a re-education, sorry settlement support camp run by the south korean ministry of unification, dprk defectors get money from a variety of right-wing south korean organizations to give talks and testimony about conditions. the pay for such talks literally scales based on how brutal and depraved the testimony is. shockingly, a lot of defector tales have proven to contain large inconsistencies and outright lying.
Do you have an actual article describing this in depth? I've been watching a lot of natural geographic vids on animals around the world and they've been really well done so i assumed they'd wouldn't just go completely off the rails on another subject. so are you saying the whole video is a complete fabrication?
I have been interviewing North Koreans as a DPRK watcher and human rights researcher since 1999. What I’ve found suggests there are serious ethical dilemmas in the way we gather information.
Cash payments in return for interviews with North Korean refugees have been standard practice in the field for years.
Initially, the payment was to cover the cost of meals and local transport, which was approximately $30 in the late 1990s when I first began interviewing in China and South Korea. However, the fees had risen to $200 per hour by the time I attempted to interview people from North Korea in May 2014.
A government official from the South Korean ministry of unification told me the range of fees could vary wildly, from $50-500 per hour, depending on the quality of information.
But this practice raises a difficulty: how does the payment change the relation between a researcher and an interviewee, and what effect will it have on the story itself?
North Korean refugees are well aware of what the interviewer wants to hear
This practice also drives the demand for “saleable stories”: the more exclusive, shocking or emotional, the higher the fee.
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But many refugees say they feel pressured for defector stories. Ahn Myung-chol, a former prison guard at Camp 22, said people liked shocking stories and these so-called “defector-activists” were merely responding to this desire. Chong Kwang-il, a former prisoner at Camp 15, said the fame brought by media exposure trapped them, forcing them to reproduce a certain narrative.
this is why when the media reports that some north korean general or relative of the kims got executed by being fed to dogs or blown up by artillery there's about a 90% chance that they'll be on north korean tv getting an award for something six months later