#1641
it's not new, but the inversion/appropriation of identity politics by US liberals to tow the party line has reached some kind of apotheosis this election cycle. i've been told by several liberals that my criticisms and assessments of clinton are rooted in my privilege as a white male, and that the risk of a trump presidency is a far greater threat to persons of color/lgbt people. apparently the only persons of color that exist are in the first world and are not evading the honduran military apparatus, sweating in shoe factories in malaysia, or looking for their grandfather's arm in the sand in northwestern pakistan.

nevermind that hillary clinton sponsored legislation for a kinder, gentler separation wall on the us/mexico border--that will likely be installed by israeli security companies, nonetheless--if you don't vote for trump you're telling muslims and blacks in our country to fend for themselves.

another liberal defense i've heard is that they care about the scotus and keeping future nominees to the court on the "left"--just why in the fuck does that matter? they invoke scotus as if nothing more needs to be said. it's a talking point that's taken on a life of its own in their minds.

they cannot step outside of the simulacra of political reality that they have been conditioned to believe exists. this isn't new, of course, but it's astonishing to see it in technicolor.
#1642
also the irony of "do you really trust him with the nuclear codes?"--what a perfect, facile summary of american liberal politics--when clinton is doing everything in her power to invoke a third world war with russia
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#1645
Why isn't this website viral yet
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#1648
this was in response to a post I made elsewhere outlining how trump is outflanking clinton to the left on a number of notable issues

"Trump wishes to normalize relations and increase security cooperation with Russia because he's a liberal? What a dupe you are. Trump promotes that because his pockets are lined with their money. Why don't you think he releases his taxes? Trump had zero interest in the Republican platform until it came to Russia, when he pressed to make it favorable to Russia, at the Ukraine's expense. And Clinton opposes the TPP. And you think Trump speaks to the working class? Well yes, if you mean to their fears. Name one policy proposal that would help them? Is it his wanting to abolish the minimum rage? What foolishness you speak."


lol, the russia is power mad, the russia wants to eat us alive.
#1649

Keven posted:

Why isn't this website viral yet


*80s montage music begins blaring*

#1650
they burned wikileaks

wikileaks was "weird" and had a really off-color response to the Panama Papers, but weren't completely obviously in the tank for Putin (which was odd in retrospect because Assange literally had a thing on RT)

but i guess technolibertarians were still holding torches for wikileaks (despite them being irresponsible idiots the rest of the time--cf doxxing an entire Turkish political party roster's worth of women, and that's just the most recent example)

the main takeaway from the dnc infodump will be that nobody trusts wikileaks

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3783785&pagenumber=236#post462505390
#1651
*after seeing video of hillary clinton stomping on a baby* seems to me... babies will become much less popular in future.
#1652
hey is anyone here not a russian or CIA agent? asking for a friend
#1653
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#1654

tpaine posted:

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

hey is anyone here not a russian or CIA agent? asking for a friend

yeah, in fact my people have a word for that



is the word "goyim"

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#1656
who r u voting for this election tuppins please remmeber you must vote
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#1659

postposting posted:

"If it's a really great coincidence," said Russia expert Fiona Hill, who directs the Center on the United States and Europe at the Brookings Institution. "The Russians have a word — ne sluchaino. It means, not accidental. Not by chance."

just look at the inborn perfidy of these russkies? imagine if English had a word (two words actually) to mean 'not accidental'.



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/26/putin-s-wicked-leaks-didn-t-start-with-the-dnc.html

Lord Byron once observed, in skewering one of his favorite poetic targets of derision, that while the English have no word so good as the French longueurs to describe tedious, uninterrupted stretches of writing, they nevertheless “have the thing.” Similarly, there is no proper American term for what Russian intelligence calls aktivniye meropriyatiye, or active measures, but by now most Americans really ought to be used to “the thing,” as it might well decide our next presidential election.

#1660
it's hilarious to see liberals and the liberal establishment red-baiting not only the republican candidate for president but also the political scandals that challenge their narrative.


#1661
I don't disagree with your general take on how HRC-supporting liberals are weaponizing identity politics but I'm going to have to take issue with the idea that Trump is on Clinton's "left" on a number of "notable issues"
#1662
i think we should definitely debate who is picoscopically to the left of who on Notable Issues in the us presidential race, here on the rhizzone. maybe one thread per major category of issue? is that enough? maybe one per idea. i'll add a new subforum
#1663

Keven posted:

Why isn't this website viral yet


two words bud. failaids

#1664
I just think Donald Trump is Bad. I'm sorry but I really do!
#1665
it's fucking idiotic to think that trump will kill fewer people in the third world than hildog. why? he doesn't give a shit about their lives or about anti-imperialism. he doesn't really give a shit about foreign policy beyond the way they implicate his catchphrases, and in the absence of conviction he would just acquiesce to the exact same material pressures that would drive HRC's wars. if he's actually a russian agent that's cool, but any detente with russia would be balanced out by getting more bellicose on china and possibly iran. if you want to support trump out of accellerationism or because he would hurt america then ganbatte, but don't tell me I should actually believe in his shitty, mealy-mouthed opportunistic critiques of imperial wars. i made the mistake of doing that in 2008 with the cool black guy, i'm sure as fuck not going to do it with the orange billionaire who all the fascists love
#1666

thirdplace posted:

I just think Donald Trump is Bad. I'm sorry but I really do!



You're a damn noob.

#1667
obviously trump is bad, but the hilarity of the democrats current line being to try to 'smear' him as an anti-imperialist cannot be denied
#1668

thirdplace posted:

it's fucking idiotic to think that trump will kill fewer people in the third world than hildog. why? he doesn't give a shit about their lives or about anti-imperialism. he doesn't really give a shit about foreign policy beyond the way they implicate his catchphrases, and in the absence of conviction he would just acquiesce to the exact same material pressures that would drive HRC's wars. if he's actually a russian agent that's cool, but any detente with russia would be balanced out by getting more bellicose on china and possibly iran. if you want to support trump out of accellerationism or because he would hurt america then ganbatte, but don't tell me I should actually believe in his shitty, mealy-mouthed opportunistic critiques of imperial wars. i made the mistake of doing that in 2008 with the cool black guy, i'm sure as fuck not going to do it with the orange billionaire who all the fascists love


Neither do communists, idiot.

#1669
If you think about it, our choice is between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. That's why in voting for the RSPC-ML (saxonote division) candidate, "Wetland Bird Sanctuary"
#1670
Donald Trump says he wants to secure a future for the white race, but is he really willing to lead us into the imperialist wars which upon which that future depends?
#1671

thirdplace posted:

it's fucking idiotic to think that

...

i made the mistake of doing that in 2008 with the cool black guy, i'm sure as fuck not going to do it with the orange billionaire who all the fascists love



hhhhmmm

#1672

thirdplace posted:

it's fucking idiotic to think that trump will kill fewer people in the third world than hildog. why? he doesn't give a shit about their lives or about anti-imperialism. he doesn't really give a shit about foreign policy beyond the way they implicate his catchphrases, and in the absence of conviction he would just acquiesce to the exact same material pressures that would drive HRC's wars. if he's actually a russian agent that's cool, but any detente with russia would be balanced out by getting more bellicose on china and possibly iran. if you want to support trump out of accellerationism or because he would hurt america then ganbatte, but don't tell me I should actually believe in his shitty, mealy-mouthed opportunistic critiques of imperial wars. i made the mistake of doing that in 2008 with the cool black guy, i'm sure as fuck not going to do it with the orange billionaire who all the fascists love



the black guy. the orange guy. what is it with you and skin color. it's what in the heart that counts

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EmanuelaBrolandi posted:

hhhhmmm

my personal mantra is: Paradol Ex Was Right and I Was Wrong and I Need To Deal With That

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#1676
i dont think insta_Gramsci implied they were buying into anything from what trump was saying, but was only noting that clinton was allowing her republican opponent ot be ostensibly less for neoliberal trade deals and less for sabre-rattling against russia among other things which i take more as criticism of hillary clinton than any sort of buy-in on don trumps.
#1677

ilmdge posted:

i dont think insta_Gramsci implied they were buying into anything from what trump was saying, but was only noting that clinton was allowing her republican opponent ot be ostensibly less for neoliberal trade deals and less for sabre-rattling against russia among other things which i take more as criticism of hillary clinton than any sort of buy-in on don trumps.



this is more of what i meant, i apologize for not being clear. in terms of surface politics hrc is basically allowing trump to (appear to) position himself to the left of her issues related to neoliberalism and us-russia cooperation. the latter one is especially funny because of its historical irony.

trump is doing this for entirely self-serving and conceptually wrong reasons, of course, but the way that the left/right polarity has shifted within the paradigm of us electoral politics is kind of surreal

#1678

insta_gramsci posted:

this is more of what i meant, i apologize for not being clear. in terms of surface politics hrc is basically allowing trump to (appear to) position himself to the left of her issues related to neoliberalism and us-russia cooperation. the latter one is especially funny because of its historical irony.

trump is doing this for entirely self-serving and conceptually wrong reasons, of course, but the way that the left/right polarity has shifted within the paradigm of us electoral politics is kind of surreal

sorry for misunderstanding. but: if we deny trump's anti-war pretensions--and to be clear, i'm not just saying they're there for the wrong reasons, i'm saying they're totally meaningless and will not be honored in even the most trivial way--doesn't the kernel of truth in the liberal "you're just hatin hildog b/c of ur white manlet privilege" argument stand unrebutted?

#1679

thirdplace posted:

doesn't the kernel of truth in the liberal "you're just hatin hildog b/c of ur white manlet privilege" argument stand unrebutted?

Are you having an attack

#1680
george is gettin' upset! about donald trump!