Crow posted:
everything will kill you, duh, even moderation doesnt keep you alive long, if you cataloged and considered every possible thing that would kill you, then you would live in constant fear that you will be ripped away from your "earthly pleasures" and cast off into "the void". this is fear, it is why when you arent happy, when you are nerve-racked and never at peace, you refuse to kill yourself. how could peacefulness and resolution and wholeness in the void possibly be worse than earthly hell? yet those who fear death dont take the Better Option, do they?

no, there's more to it than that. fearing death is a vice, and atheism itself presupposes the truth that one must not fear death.

i'm a decent looking middle class white male american living in the future, you rly don't need to infer a fear of death to explain why i'd prefer life

thirdplace posted:
it would depend on Circumstances probably, where you going with this

what i'm saying is that you need to be ready to put your life down for what you believe, otherwise it's cowardly, weak, and ineffectual. this fear, an ancient disease that always preserves oneself at the expense of the truth, must be constantly fought. preferring life (to what exactly? to a meaningless death? those aren't separate) is not enough, and this self-preservation is at the root of all evil. that's what i'm saying. and when people say OH its rational to fear death/prefer life, no, its not rational, and not just because that rationality goes hand-in-hand with irrationality, but also because preoccupying yourself with this fear of death just is a self-fulfilling prophecy to accomplishing a meaningless death.

preferring life to the truth which is greater than the subject, is fearing death. desiring to hold on to your things when (purportedly) you ethically reject the basis of the system which produced it, whether it be white male privilege, or consumer items, or unjust power over others, is a fear of death. in death you lose all those things, and the only thing that will remain is the truth, which you sought to avoid.

i don't know if you believe in social and economic justice or justice at all, but you should probably resolve the contradiction whereby you make your being the enemy of those eternal goals.

If it means forking over your cush lifestyle, for the sake of justice and the survival of humanity, and it will, then you should do it. What do you fear?

Cycloneboy posted:

discipline posted:

Cycloneboy posted:
401ks are kind of a bad long term investment if you're serious about early retirement.

Well here I am, Accepting your paradigm about wealth and economics for a moment and you're still completely and utterly fucking moron

you can't take money out of a 401k before you're like 59.5 years old.

thats like a whole cold war away

Crow posted:

thirdplace posted:
i'm a decent looking middle class white male american

consider what you just said and think about what that means, and compare it to people who die on the battlefield fighting invaders, or who charge directly at nervous palace guards, or who spy on the enemy within its belly. are you ready to do this? no?

It was narrated from Ibn Abbas (radi Allahu anhu) that the Messenger of Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Shall I not tell you of the best of people in status?" We said: "Yes, O Messenger of Allah!" He said: "A man who rides his horse in the cause of Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, until he dies or is killed. Shall I not tell you of the one who comes after him (in status)?" We said: "Yes, O Messenger of Allah!" He said: "A man who withdraws to a mountain pass and establishes Salah, and pays Zakah, and keeps away from the evil of people."

Meursault posted:
Ever since I went to the fourth plateau I no longer fear death... life and consciousness is just like, this weird chemical reaction, and there really isn't like a "you" to even be worried about death you know?

thats cool dude.

crustpunk_trotsky posted:

babyfinland posted:

Crow posted:

thirdplace posted:
i'm a decent looking middle class white male american

consider what you just said and think about what that means, and compare it to people who die on the battlefield fighting invaders, or who charge directly at nervous palace guards, or who spy on the enemy within its belly. are you ready to do this? no?

It was narrated from Ibn Abbas (radi Allahu anhu) that the Messenger of Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Shall I not tell you of the best of people in status?" We said: "Yes, O Messenger of Allah!" He said: "A man who rides his horse in the cause of Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, until he dies or is killed. Shall I not tell you of the one who comes after him (in status)?" We said: "Yes, O Messenger of Allah!" He said: "A man who withdraws to a mountain pass and establishes Salah, and pays Zakah, and keeps away from the evil of people."

i'm glad Allah approves of my anti-social lifestyle

didnt realize u established the five pillars dog.

shennong posted:
uhh prayer waves reflect off the ionosphere obviously

that can't be right or you wouldn't have to aim in the first place...

Granada. In Muslim imagination the mere name conjures up images of a magnificent city. A place where science and culture thrived during Europe's dark ages. A place where the streets were lit at night and ornate fountains fed verdant gardens of exquisite beauty. Where a tolerant convivencia brought the Abrahamic faiths together in a most remarkable coexistence. Granada and its iconic Alhambra Palace represents Islam's Andalucian legacy in Europe.

Tarim. Nestled in Yemen's Hadhramaut valley, it is a city like no other. A place of spirituality and learning, tended to by the descendents of the Prophet Muhammad himself. From Java to East Africa and beyond, the scholars of Tarim led by their guides - the Habibs - have taken their tradition all over the world establishing a truly global spiritual community dedicated to living and celebrating the sacred.

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This is the story of new communities and ancient legacies. Of enduring faith and the burden of history. Of renewing the connection between East and West. Of finding a new convivencia for our times.

shennong posted:
uhh prayer waves reflect off the ionosphere obviously

that doesn't really resolve the problem because then you'd need to aim the prayer at the ionosphere and do some geometry in your head to get it to bounce properly. even that, by the way, would barely triple the range before you'd need it to bounce of the earth and the ionosphere again, and so on, which is frankly just ridiculous