deadken posted:
we've been on the verge of finally understanding the operation of the universe for hundreds of years. we may well be closer now than we were before but we dont know how far away the endpoint is, chances are we've barely scratched the surface, and that it's literally impossible to reach the other side. theoretical physics is interesting as fuck but it shouldnt be anything close to a priority. science should be used to promote greater surpluses and avert environmental catastrophe, when we have socialism then we can carry on dicking about with black holes etc. oh and obviously Science Is A Degenerate Form Of Marxism

theoretical physics is tied in with ideology and philosophy to a degree where its just as needed for us to be a 'viable' species. i dont think weapon manufacturing is though, which is the utmost priority at the moment, directing theoretical physics and beyond

gyrofry posted:
with enough motherfucking argon the fish doesn't know what the fuck

dam havnt thought abt that fish in yrs..

gallstein posted:

deadken posted:
it doesnt really make sense to talk about the moral position of technology. a sword functions perfectly well as a plowshare. science on the other hand encodes a whole bunch of ideological assumptions, thats not to say that science is useless but its not infallible either and it needs the guiding hand of philosophy to curb its excesses

ya if we had some proper reading of schopenhauer we could have stopped them from tripling the teeming population of this rock in a century with all that food and medicine to prolong the inevitable. nice job science

this but unironically

deadken posted:
its much more fun to use leftist jargon to justify obvious evils. fuck the revolution i just wanna say 'deterritorialisation' a whole bunch

Whenever you hear leftist jargon you know morality is being inverted.

Singularity Theory May Explain Fermi Paradox


The Drake equation demonstrates that due to the vast scope of our universe, it is highly unlikely that there is not intelligent life other than us.

The Fermi paradox ponders why (considering the results from the Drake equation) we have not yet detected any other intelligent life.

Singularity theory anticipates a point in time where rapid growth in intelligence and replication create a border that is like an asymptote or singularity threshold beyond which lies an undefinable area that is not comparable to what we currently know as intelligence.

The Schwarzchild radius describes the limit of the ability of light to escape a black hole singularity, or the “edge” of the black hole where it becomes totally black.

The answer to the Fermi paradox may lie in the idea of a singularity-like expansion in intelligence that rapidly moves beyond our ability to understand it or detect it. Just as light eventually becomes trapped by distorted space inside the Schwarzchild radius of a black hole under gravitational collapse, it is possible that intelligence that is evolving hyperbolically may move across “terrain” that is unknown or become something we are unable to recognize.

An ant might be able to detect a microscope that is being used by a higher intelligence to study it, but would not have the capacity to understand much significance of the event. An amoeba would not even be able to “detect” the microscope. As the “distance” between intelligence levels grows, the ability to communicate is limited to a lowest common denominator level.

Try on this postulate: the Drake equation shows there is likely to be a very high possibility of other intelligent life in our universe, even though it is also likely to be separated by huge gulfs in space and also (more significantly) in time. This makes it highly unlikely that two intelligent civilizations would evolve at the same rate in near proximity to each other and have a reasonable chance to communicate with each other on similar levels. Our civilization seems to be very close to a massive transition in intelligence that we call, “the singularity” and this has taken place in a relatively small time frame, only tens of thousands of years at the most, since the beginning of what we consider to be the history of our civilization. If other intelligent civilizations also experience growth curves that anywhere near this (even allowing for large variations in rate), and experience a singularity-like transition event, the likelihood of two civilizations establishing communications during this time becomes very small. This leaves us with a universe populated by many intelligent civilizations, but always finding themselves alone, only able to communicate with amoebas below them on the developmental scale and something undefinable above them.

It is worth noting that human history is full of examples of attempts to describe interactions with “undefinable” higher intelligence. And, once we get past the singularity horizon, everything changes.

and this was posted by a different friend (more of a new agey creative type) also on facebook slightly less of a while back:

(edit: i can't tell if the embed is working. heres the link)

when i first skimmed the article, i didn't register the parts i've italicized here, and so when the youtube was posted it seemed to me to be slightly more outlandish than the article with its claims of visitation. but obviously the article is actually endorsing the same or maybe even a slightly stronger view, not just that of visitation and hidden messages in art and architecture but one where the "rationalist"-"skeptic" "atheist" technofetishist finds reassurance in the revealed secret that all the worlds religions have actually been talking about singularity aliens

Edited by mistersix (Dec. 8, 2011 19:10:00)