Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Its pretty dumb to jump down hueys throat for supposedly engaging in prostitution when capitalist social relations mean that all men are johns and all women are whores
check your premises: ladder theory transcends all social-economic models
sosie posted:jools posted:
Get off the beans, sosie.thanks for the advice idiot. a few years into the biz youll be advising me to go eat these beans and those beans, telling me this ones but neve those together, etc... (jewish influence)
let me kow when you got some reaql practical advice and not the tired moralist religioin fake guy who doesnt have to base his fucking livelihood on getting jobs acting in hoolllywood, but thanks asshole
AmericanNazbro posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Its pretty dumb to jump down hueys throat for supposedly engaging in prostitution when capitalist social relations mean that all men are johns and all women are whorescheck your premises: ladder theory transcends all social-economic models
I was wondering about this recently. I think us leftists get so hung up on class as the marker of human happiness or prosperity that we forget about the biological class that nature places us in.
For example, I think that a sexy, poor, white trash Okie could have a more fulfilling life than a rich, weak, Silicone Valley nerd. I mean, the nerd might be able to buy a good approximation of love but he’ll never understand the craving, lustful eyes that follow around the buffed, broke pool cleaner.
futurewidow posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Yeah i dunno where this idea that great heroes of the struggle have to be perfect or we throw the baby out with the bathwater comes from
If we did that wed have to dismiss Che because of his racism, the actual Huey Newton because of his actual raping or Nixon because of his homophobia, and i dont think anyone wants that.
Leave the piety to the Christians and yogurt-eating lonely planet writersso am i the bad guy here for getting angry
nobody is the bad guy here at the rhizzone, a place for posting
Ironicwarcriminal posted:AmericanNazbro posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Its pretty dumb to jump down hueys throat for supposedly engaging in prostitution when capitalist social relations mean that all men are johns and all women are whorescheck your premises: ladder theory transcends all social-economic models
I was wondering about this recently. I think us leftists get so hung up on class as the marker of human happiness or prosperity that we forget about the biological class that nature places us in.
For example, I think that a sexy, poor, white trash Okie could have a more fulfilling life than a rich, weak, Silicone Valley nerd. I mean, the nerd might be able to buy a good approximation of love but he’ll never understand the craving, lustful eyes that follow around the buffed, broke pool cleaner.
how ive missed you
AmericanNazbro posted:
thx for stopping by sossie! it was a pleasure
gyrofry posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:AmericanNazbro posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Its pretty dumb to jump down hueys throat for supposedly engaging in prostitution when capitalist social relations mean that all men are johns and all women are whorescheck your premises: ladder theory transcends all social-economic models
I was wondering about this recently. I think us leftists get so hung up on class as the marker of human happiness or prosperity that we forget about the biological class that nature places us in.
For example, I think that a sexy, poor, white trash Okie could have a more fulfilling life than a rich, weak, Silicone Valley nerd. I mean, the nerd might be able to buy a good approximation of love but he’ll never understand the craving, lustful eyes that follow around the buffed, broke pool cleaner.how ive missed you
For more info see Sex Burns Class by J Suckai
Sexual validation and self-actualization seems like a parallel class structure
Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Seriously though I consider say, an Georgian slave who screwed his master’s missus to have more dignity and….joie de vivre?....than the master themselves.
Sexual validation and self-actualization seems like a parallel class structure
georgian slaves formed the 1400 man backbone of the qajar dynasty over iran in the 19th C
sorry you said "georgian slave" so my triviasperg kicked in
by which i dont mean "sadomasochism" (which is a contradictio in terminis, an impotent sadist cannot have any relation to a true masochist, except to be taunted and exploited by the masochist whose premise is to be the architect of his own exploitation, and a true sadist will always seek to transverse the boundaries set by the masochist. what we need is universal masochism and the eradication of sadism) but rather the removal of any restraint, to show openly to the other the depth of your perversion which god has given you. sadism is a form of distancing and obfuscation of the self, which is why ted bundy1 gave as his reason for engaging in sadistic acts that he wanted to "possess" his subjects, in other words, he wanted to have sex with women deprived of their subjectivity, essentially, to commodify them. sexual acts which degrade the other are not truly perverted in this sense, they are cowardly. authentic perversion always contains primarily a self-degrading element even when they appear as "dominant" acts. sadism is about direct control, perversion is about completely relinquishing control within the masochistic boundaries of another, who is thereby given ultimate control.
prostitution is evil, among other reasons, because this situation cannot exist in prostitution. a man who visits a prostitute can be a complete and disgusting pervert in that situation, but the monetary exchange formalizes this and removes its self-destructive edge (this is similar to the structural necessity of payment in psychoanalytic practice, the analysand must pay the analyst to create a one-way barrier for transference), it becomes "understood" and normalized that the man goes there to unleash his inner ape and the monetary exchange as well as the fact that the prostitute doesn't know the client except in a sexual setting, so that there is no disparity between the client's sexual behavior and their real life (which would make them vulnerable with a consensual partner). in other words, the structure of capitalism intervenes to shield the prostitutegoer from having to commit a truly perverted act and turns it into an act of masturbation with living props. good sex always transgresses its structural setup. real men let their girlfriends rule them in all things. women are superior to men.
1note: i am the opposite of a person who is fascinated by serial killers and hate people who are, i just happened to see part of a documentary about ted bundy on tv while i was laying on the couch. the remote was on the table and i couldnt reach it from where i was without disturbing my cat, who was sleeping in my lap.
MindMaster posted:sex in capitalism is evil and the only way to redeem it is to have really dirty passionate sex, talking dirty and doing weird crap in a way that makes you slightly ashamed of yourself afterwards and puts you at the other's mercy
by which i dont mean "sadomasochism" (which is a contradictio in terminis, an impotent sadist cannot have any relation to a true masochist, except to be taunted and exploited by the masochist whose premise is to be the architect of his own exploitation, and a true sadist will always seek to transverse the boundaries set by the masochist. what we need is universal masochism and the eradication of sadism) but rather the removal of any restraint, to show openly to the other the depth of your perversion which god has given you. sadism is a form of distancing and obfuscation of the self, which is why ted bundy1 gave as his reason for engaging in sadistic acts that he wanted to "possess" his subjects, in other words, he wanted to have sex with women deprived of their subjectivity, essentially, to commodify them. sexual acts which degrade the other are not truly perverted in this sense, they are cowardly. authentic perversion always contains primarily a self-degrading element even when they appear as "dominant" acts. sadism is about direct control, perversion is about completely relinquishing control within the masochistic boundaries of another, who is thereby given ultimate control.
prostitution is evil, among other reasons, because this situation cannot exist in prostitution. a man who visits a prostitute can be a complete and disgusting pervert in that situation, but the monetary exchange formalizes this and removes its self-destructive edge (this is similar to the structural necessity of payment in psychoanalytic practice, the analysand must pay the analyst to create a one-way barrier for transference), it becomes "understood" and normalized that the man goes there to unleash his inner ape and the monetary exchange as well as the fact that the prostitute doesn't know the client except in a sexual setting, so that there is no disparity between the client's sexual behavior and their real life (which would make them vulnerable with a consensual partner). in other words, the structure of capitalism intervenes to shield the prostitutegoer from having to commit a truly perverted act and turns it into an act of masturbation with living props. good sex always transgresses its structural setup. real men let their girlfriends rule them in all things. women are superior to men.
1note: i am the opposite of a person who is fascinated by serial killers and hate people who are, i just happened to see part of a documentary about ted bundy on tv while i was laying on the couch. the remote was on the table and i couldnt reach it from where i was without disturbing my cat, who was sleeping in my lap.
i am actively repulsed by every post you make
When I tell others that I will be immortal, it's true. With the WWE Network I will always be introduced to younger generations and the Hulkster will be running wild forever.
conec posted:mindmaster.. "in other words, the structure of capitalism intervenes to shield the prostitutegoer from having to commit a truly perverted act and turns it into an act of masturbation with living props."] no.. its real life rape and exploitation of a living person
yah it is but he's not saying it isn't, he's talkign about the psychological defensiveness implicit in the john
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conec posted:i mean, where does mindmaster actually explain how capitalism somehow removes the john from "perversion" lmao if anything the exchange makes it even more perverted - it`s not as though the john shows himself to be a "complete and disgusting pervert" but some sense of prostitution being normal frees him from a "self-destructive edge"
sorry if it wasn't clear, i was trying to use the word "perversion" in the way zizek does, as a virtue, not in the way the word is commonly used. i was saying that prostitution is rape, of course, but also an indication of profound sexual and spiritual incompetence on the part of the person doing it. he is not a "pervert" because he is afraid of giving himself over to another person and instead flees behind a monetary exchange. they are cowards in the same way rapists are cowards.
more specifically, the word to me does not mean "i want to lick feet" or whatever, perversion just refers to "the fantasies that accompany sex", as in anything that goes beyond its pure physical aspect
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