#41

discipline posted:
lmao is that what we're calling externalities now ? don't troll

i don't understand what you mean, probably because you don't know what externalities are, i imagine

#42

getfiscal posted:
Crow posted:
yeah LYING and being a TRAITOR, believing ina DESERT RELIGION and surrounding himself with PIG-HATERS
you are probably mimicking the position of someone conservative for some reason.

is anti-semitism conservative now?

#43

Crow posted:
is anti-semitism conservative now?

you tell me, you're the one with the big honking ed norton american history x swastika tattoo on your chest

#44
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#45
crowd-dropping the debt can escape the prisoner's dilemma & has potential to fuck with banks.

"if 1000000 people pledge to drop their debt before christmas day, orders to that effect will be automatically activated in their account. if too few sign up the project is canned"

would this work?
would it at least scare the targeted bank into renegotiating (and affect their stock value)?
#46

discipline posted:
I'm sure you could also argue our current university education system in the united states might be also considered a positional externality, if you knew what externalities were, I imagine...

so how is $1 trillion in consumer debt related to any "positive externality"

like are you saying that obama is going to fork over a trillion dollars to people on the pretense that university educations (that they already have) have a limited "positive externality." because like most of those same people get large potential benefits from going to school anyway, it's not like they aren't already subsidized in a bunch of ways too.

#47

xipe posted:
crowd-dropping the debt can escape the prisoner's dilemma & has potential to fuck with banks.

"if 1000000 people pledge to drop their debt before christmas day, orders to that effect will be automatically activated in their account. if too few sign up the project is canned"

would this work?
would it at least scare the targeted bank into renegotiating (and affect their stock value)?

you mean a kickstarter sort of thing for debt default. even if a million people did that then credibility matters more to the state than affordability. also the majority of student debt holders can afford their debts and they aren't going to risk their homebuying opportunities so the only people who will do this are those really high at risk for defaulting anyway.

#48
wow downvoting my posts to try to leapfrog ahead of me

i'm going to write an effortpost about some stupid frenchman or something and you'll know it was me by the pile of upvotes ascending to heaven
#49

getfiscal posted:
even the "socialist" professors, it's weird. like i can tell you a fair bit about how canadian tax polciy and social programs and so on, but like that doesn't teach you anything about the real structure of political economy in itself.



My socialist professor thought that the Yom Kippur War was a surprise attack by the evil Egyptians and Syrians to try and destroy Israel from the north and south while their guard was down.

Hmm what was israel occupying to its north and south that it didn't necessarily "own"...

#50

getfiscal posted:
you mean a kickstarter sort of thing for debt default. even if a million people did that then credibility matters more to the state than affordability. also the majority of student debt holders can afford their debts and they aren't going to risk their homebuying opportunities so the only people who will do this are those really high at risk for defaulting anyway.



a debt-default kickstarter, exactly!
for credibility: i think you'd get that if you set it up that all the accounts would default automatically if the conditions have been met, a la the doomsday device from dr strangelove.

im sure youre right about the students, but im more interested what happens when a large group of people decide to make the debt the banks problem not theirs

#51

getfiscal posted:
as an aside, since i have essentially been a permanent student as a way of marking time while disabled / nuts, this is roughly how many courses i've taken:

(1.0 credits = 1 full fall-winter course)

8 history
7 economics
6 philosophy
4 development studies
3 politics
2 mathematics
1 business
1 women's studies
1 sociology
1 psychology
1 french

what's weird is that most of what i've learned i think is from independent study. like school taught me a whole bunch of stuff about capitalist society but it was usually taught in a totally obfuscated bourgeois way, even the "socialist" professors, it's weird. like i can tell you a fair bit about how canadian tax polciy and social programs and so on, but like that doesn't teach you anything about the real structure of political economy in itself.


my history degree has taught me how to read bibliographies and the very basic outlines of some eras of world history and thats mostly it. everything else has gotten in the way of real reading/learning

#52

stegosaurus posted:

getfiscal posted:
as an aside, since i have essentially been a permanent student as a way of marking time while disabled / nuts, this is roughly how many courses i've taken:

(1.0 credits = 1 full fall-winter course)

8 history
7 economics
6 philosophy
4 development studies
3 politics
2 mathematics
1 business
1 women's studies
1 sociology
1 psychology
1 french

what's weird is that most of what i've learned i think is from independent study. like school taught me a whole bunch of stuff about capitalist society but it was usually taught in a totally obfuscated bourgeois way, even the "socialist" professors, it's weird. like i can tell you a fair bit about how canadian tax polciy and social programs and so on, but like that doesn't teach you anything about the real structure of political economy in itself.

my history degree has taught me how to read bibliographies and the very basic outlines of some eras of world history and thats mostly it. everything else has gotten in the way of real reading/learning



my history degree made me a marxist.

#53
my non-history degree is making me want to die
#54
marxism is beautiful
#55

tam posted:
my non-history degree is making me want to die

cheer up tam

death is certain.

#56
how was ur business class lol
#57
What the hell is political risk analysis? That sounds fun.
#58
every time i pass by what is obviously a business class (& the prof. is always pointing at some dumb powerpoint) i just want to barge in waving around a copy of capital like a crazy person
#59

Tsargon posted:
my history degree made me a marxist.



same

#60
I took a business class and a marketing class and the professors literally just copied the main points of each page in the textbooks verbatim and made them into powerpoints.
#61
reading laissez's faire turned me into a marxist
#62
i hope the people who are deciding to drop the debt are taking the necessary steps w/r/t hiding their money away and not having garnishable wages & being prepared to leave the country if necessary
#63
reading Marx made me a pretentious person
#64
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#65

aerdil posted:
how was ur business class lol

it was two human resource management courses and it was funny because most contemporary human resource theory used in the book is a weird mash of like radical stuff but from the perspective of management. like they talk constantly about making employees feel like they have control over their own work and how organizations need to be more horizontal and so on but then they are like well let's not get carried away because we still need to maximize profit. once i figured that out i got my best mark ever in a course just by intuitively writing answers based on that formula.

#66
i just started capital, but theres a problem, so far its BORING
#67

swampman posted:
i just started capital, but theres a problem, so far its BORING



capital is possibly the most boring book ever written

#68
could this forum PLEASE obssess over kant for a awhile instead
#69
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#70
capital isn't all boring, it just starts out that way
#71
i heard theres a manga version of capital
#72

littlegreenpills posted:
i heard theres a manga version of capital


Yeah, maybe that'll help you guys

#73
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#74
The wealth of those societies in which the capitalist mode of production prevails, presents itself as “an immense accumulation of mangoes,” its unit being a single mango. Our investigation must therefore begin with the analysis of a mango. A mango is, in the first place, an object outside us, a thing that by its properties satisfies human wants of some sort or another. The nature of such wants, whether, for instance, they spring from the stomach or from fancy, makes no difference.