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i liked the editorial last issue where he spent 1000 words saying "trots are subway masturbators" what did u guys think
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in case u missed it

Fellow Travelers
Issue 10: Assembly Required
Editorial
by Bhaskar Sunkara

It’s an old adage of city life: commute home to masturbate, but don’t masturbate during the commute. Such are the reasonable burdens of living in a society.

Last week I was reminded that this sentiment isn’t universally shared. On a Euclid Avenue-bound C train, I sat across from someone getting to know himself through his Sunday best. It was jarring, but not nearly jarring enough. In a strange way, years on the radical left had prepared me for such an encounter.

You see, subway masturbators don’t care that everyone else is trying to get away from them; they don’t care about being a nuisance. They care about jacking off. Not unlike a certain variety of American socialist: enthusiasts of sectarian minutia, reenactors of old battles, collectors of decontextualized quotes. Leftists have a lot to say. What they don’t always have is the social literacy to speak to a broader audience, a literacy that comes with a grounding in practical politics. They lack self-awareness about the timing or propriety of their actions, and they don’t see why that’s a problem.

Of course, the C train masturbator likely suffered from afflictions more serious than a lack of tact. But the Left is not mentally ill. It’s insular and inconsequential. Thankfully, many do want to see a change in its internal culture, but usually this sentiment takes the form of vague “can’t we all get along and talk about how much we hate drones” platitudes. That attitude isn’t quite right either.

The choice facing us isn’t between the blind worship of our particular pantheon of dead white men or Daily Kos-style ecumenicism. After all, the problem with the Left isn’t that it’s too austere and serious; it’s that it doesn’t take itself seriously enough to make the changes necessary for political practice. We can be rigorous and ideological — without being afraid of being heard outside our own circles. Mass exposure wouldn’t spell the end of a vibrant socialist critique.

But to get to the root of the problem will take an organizational revolution, not just a cultural one. We’re weird, because we’re not accountable to any mass constituency, not because we didn’t watch enough cable growing up.

Okay, maybe that too.

But it’s impossible to deny that institutionally the socialist left is in disarray, fragmented into a million different groupings, many of them with essentially the same politics. It’s an environment that breeds the narcissism of small differences. In a powerless movement, the stakes aren’t high enough to make people work together and the structures aren’t in place to facilitate substantive debate.

The prospect for left regroupment was one of my main motivations for founding Jacobin. Yet the watchwords of this project have seldom appeared in our pages. It’s finally time to make a call for joint action on the Left with an eye towards the unification of the many socialist organizations with similar political orientations into one larger body. This idea has been trotted out for generations, but new agents and desperate necessity can finally make it a reality.

If it comes to fruition we’d see the convergence of American socialists committed to non-sectarian organizing under the auspices of an overarching democratic structure. This in itself may not seem like a significant undertaking — we’re only talking about a few groups and a few thousand people — but we shouldn’t let those humble beginnings obscure the potential that a fresh start for the organized left holds.

For one, a larger, more centralized organization would offer a powerful pole of attraction for both the newly politicized and those who have spent years on the Left’s margins. By allowing open factions, such an outlet could incorporate activists from different strands of the socialist tradition and foster a pluralistic culture in which comradely debate and open disagreement, far from crippling action, helps build a political program.

There would be less glamorous benefits, too. A well-run administrative apparatus could consist of dozens of paid staffers and organizers committed to work across the nation. New technology will connect activists who live close to each other and immediately put them to work in local struggles, as well as educational and cultural outreach, all under the same banner.

The strength of the Left is in organization — with it, we could one day contend for power. Without it, Left Forum might as well be Comic Con. An internal restart seems like the only good starting point for radicals looking to making an impact on American political life. I hope to contribute to that process more substantively in time. For now, the quality of our young activists should leave us confident about the future.

We can also take comfort in the memory that small groups of organized militants have made a difference before, paving the way for mass action and sweeping structural change. In the short-term, a new organization would focus on anti-austerity and work hand-in-hand with liberal allies who want to see the welfare state rebuilt. But socialists will not merely be anonymous members of a future liberal-left coalition; they’ll seek to push those struggles beyond liberalism’s limits. This means identifying capitalism as a social system that benefits a minority, and openly organizing in civil society to challenge it. It means building its own institutions and organs of class power and presenting real alternatives.

Before long, the subway masturbators among us will be drowned out by a generation free of decades of ill-will — organized and confident enough to make a difference. Until then, try not to stare.

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There would be less glamorous benefits, too. A well-run administrative apparatus could consist of dozens of paid staffers and organizers committed to work across the nation.

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slumlord posted:

i liked the editorial last issue where he spent 1000 words saying "trots are subway masturbators" what did u guys think



I was bored @ work and was reading the exile and thought it was actually kind of good then i got to that 1 and was like "oh ok" and wwent back to pod casts

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We’re weird, because we’re not accountable to any mass constituency, not because we didn’t watch enough cable growing up.


speak for yourself, weirdly-ambitious-dude-with-nothing-much-to-say

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roseweird posted:

what are people's thoughts on ISO chapters here


wack theory of states/nations, they believe that China and Cuba have "nothing to do with socialism" (quote from their website), and they practically do nothing,

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Keven posted:

slumlord posted:

i liked the editorial last issue where he spent 1000 words saying "trots are subway masturbators" what did u guys think



I was bored @ work and was reading the exile and thought it was actually kind of good then i got to that 1 and was like "oh ok" and wwent back to pod casts


jacobin, exile was at least funny sometimes and had the good sense not to take itself too seriously

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It’s an old adage of city life: commute home to masturbate, but don’t masturbate during the commute.



only a piece written by someone who thinks they don't need an editor could ever begin this way

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O yea sorry i was reading both
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I'll read basically ne thing when im stuck in the office, a spiral that inevitably ends with grant land .com
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yea those guys can organize the FUCK out of a party in the hamptons where you take your picture with a cardboard cutout of fidel castro
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roseweird posted:

animedad posted:

roseweird posted:

what are people's thoughts on ISO chapters here

wack theory of states/nations, they believe that China and Cuba have "nothing to do with socialism" (quote from their website), and they practically do nothing,

is this based just on their website or contact with the group? i've known a lot of members and was impressed with their ability to organize, but i don't really know anything about their ideological convictions, and i can't tell if it's just a big party with some activist-tourism thrown in or if they're for real


based on what i know about what they do in chicago. im not the definitive word on anything by any means, i just happen to disagree with their historical analysis

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Joey diaz has a good podcast
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one of the greatest victories of libertarians in the 00's was making it look cool, edgy etc.

jacobin is, i think very consciously, trying to do the same thing w/marxism. that's good i think. it obviously needs a complete re-branding
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toy posted:

one of the greatest victories of libertarians in the 00's was making it look cool


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roseweird posted:

animedad posted:

roseweird posted:

what are people's thoughts on ISO chapters here

wack theory of states/nations, they believe that China and Cuba have "nothing to do with socialism" (quote from their website), and they practically do nothing,

is this based just on their website or contact with the group? i've known a lot of members and was impressed with their ability to organize, but i don't really know anything about their ideological convictions, and i can't tell if it's just a big party with some activist-tourism thrown in or if they're for real


i worked with them on and off for about two years. it's honestly hard to tell that they're red at all, most of their stuff was propaganda for social democratic programs and nebulous "socialism" without letting on they're nominally honest-to-god trotskyists. the first time i ran into them i had to basic pry out what affiliation they had, (not in terms of "youre trots", but like, it took like 5 minutes for them to even admit they were ISO as i ran down the list of every self-proclaimed communist party in the US i could think of). that said i don't think it really matters that much if they have a great line or whatever, this is america and the political culture is entirely reactionary with no class consciousness to speak of, so even if they aren't "actively revolutionary" or anything so exciting they're still accomplishing something, perhaps even more than some groups toeing a hard left line.

anyway they've still got a lot of problems. they focus their organizing almost entirely on college campuses, (i think i was one of like 3 people who showed up to the meetings who wasn't enrolled), so you end up with this revolving door of uncommitted, undisciplined college students who at best are active for 4 years and then fall off. they're possible the largest and definitely the broadest marxist organization in the US, but that's no so big to begin with and the actual core membership is infinitesimal. basically they have no hope of ever being a mass organization or leaders of a workers' movement or anything of the sort, they just hawk papers and run book sales at the local university. is that what you want to do? if not then probably don't join the ISO.

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discipline posted:

I wasn't impressed with bk iso at all

You still have to extend a little credit to burger king for trying to put a chapter together.

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roseweird posted:

oh well. at least the throw decent marxist themed parties


what, like the tshirt from FUNNYORDIE.COM?

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What they don’t always have is the social literacy to speak to a broader audience,

Kind of ironic that he wrote this since he doesn't appear to have the social literacy to speak to a broader audience. It's as if the criticism he was making about the "certain kind of leftist" would be valid as self-criticism also. I wouldn't know because I am just a lowly greatest poster on the phase of the planet.

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in quebec we have a multitendency left party and it got 6% of the vote and won 2 seats in the last election, and will probably do better in the next election. much of the radical left supports it - all the trotskyists basically plus the mainline soviet parties and generic anticapitalists. it adds a useful voice to the debate.

the thing is though it's a social-democratic party and as such all the old arguments against it apply. richard seymour makes a good point of saying that it's a reformist option (well, SYRIZA is) but that we don't always have openings for radical options. which the reply is that supporting social-democracy in normal times will make radicalism impossible in extraordinary times, or that you'll never get opportunities if you attach people to electoralism, but i don't know if that's true.
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roseweird posted:

maybe?? i hope not??? what shirt


:picardfacepalm: the one with marx with a lampshade on his head

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a grounding in practical real politics like trying entryism on the democratic party
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didn't story have ice cream parties to try to get college kids interested in activism
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thats... a great idea
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i cant think of anything worse than a marxist themed party tbh
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the embargo on cuba is honestly great for them tbh
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my only experience with ISO was this really weak attempt at entryism-by-email they made against an organization i was in during college

that org later became part of FRSO lol