After workers failing to revolt time and time again and the left assembling identity politics to replace failed class-based unrest, only to see that fail too and become reformist, and with the final blow of the collapse of actually-existing socialism worldwide, it's clear for leftism what it must do if it wants to survive.
Fascism rises once again and stronger than ever. The masses of Greece and Hungary, especially, embrace fascism more and more while the emasculated left there is crushed to bits. Elsewhere in Europe, criminal immigrants and their social-democratic apologists and other undesirables face the resistance of the people. The proletariat doesn't want embarrassing liberal academia ideals, but blood and soil.
What's more, the fascist parties arising today are overwhelmingly Strasserist and have sound social and ecological and anti-imperialist policies, merely being pragmatist socialists. They want to keep strict anti-immigration policies while being against military intervention and accepting our different cultures. In Hungary, Jews are targeted, the same Jews who conspired to destroy Marxism-Leninism and replace it with market liberalism. Also, who in the entirety of history has ever liked gypsies? They're simply unconducive to the socialist civilization we want to accomplish.
And let's face it, Muslim nations and other third world countries don't want our weak liberal-humanist ideals, they want the strength of their tradition with all the "racism" and "misogyny" it entails. No longer do we need to tip-toe around political Islam in the name of anti-imperialism, but publicly embrace it. After all, Hitler was important for the liberation of Palestine, and dealings between political Islam and Western fascists are historically documented, much more than relationships with Jewish Bolsheviks.
There's no reason why the far left shouldn't ally itself with Jobbik, Golden Dawn or EDL. Otherwise, the only option is a further destruction and fracturing of a leftism which is already dead. This doesn't mean, of course, that we should accept their racist and sexist premises, but work with them under a coalition as we share many of the same ideals and then gradually push for a leftist praxis.
Comrades, you have nothing to lose but the shackles of identity politics.
Cheers.
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this doesn't even have to be a move towards racism, since properly assimilating migrant populations (by creating loyalty towards concepts other than the migrant's origins which are shared by the native population and suppressing influences which work against this) or even economically and politically developing the source countries of migrants so there is less immigration in the first place would improve the lives of the minorities while sating the fears of those presently moving towards racist parties.
Panopticon posted:economically and politically developing the source countries of migrants
would go against the raison d'être of capitalism and would therefore never happen w/ a "pragmatic" left.
Panopticon posted:if leftist westerners want their ideology to be relevant in the future they do need a coherent platform on migration and assimilation. the multiculturalism (and by that i mean tolerating different values wrt the important social questions like pluralism and democracy, not food, music and clothes) of the liberals has begun to fail spectacularly, with the compounding issues of petty and organised crime, unemployment and religious radicalism going unaddressed, and the rise of natalist and racist parties with support in the white middle and working classes being a direct response to this failure. with expectations on the left low at this point, we have the opportunity (there won't be splits in coalitions or cabinets resigning over it, because there are no leftists in western coalitions or cabinets) to abandon association with the unpopular liberal policy of multiculturalism and adopt something more pragmatic.
"assimilation" has nothing to do w/ toleration of democracy and pluralism and everything to do w/ meeting arbitrary benchmarks set up by white supremacists.
look at all the "SPEAK ENGLISH" bullshit US xenophobes promote. hispanic immigrants are Westernized, Catholic and have lower crime rates and they still provoke a racial backlash from the white middle class. appeasing racists is a fool's errand.
HenryKrinkle posted:Panopticon posted:if leftist westerners want their ideology to be relevant in the future they do need a coherent platform on migration and assimilation. the multiculturalism (and by that i mean tolerating different values wrt the important social questions like pluralism and democracy, not food, music and clothes) of the liberals has begun to fail spectacularly, with the compounding issues of petty and organised crime, unemployment and religious radicalism going unaddressed, and the rise of natalist and racist parties with support in the white middle and working classes being a direct response to this failure. with expectations on the left low at this point, we have the opportunity (there won't be splits in coalitions or cabinets resigning over it, because there are no leftists in western coalitions or cabinets) to abandon association with the unpopular liberal policy of multiculturalism and adopt something more pragmatic.
"assimilation" has nothing to do w/ toleration of democracy and pluralism and everything to do w/ meeting arbitrary benchmarks set up by white supremacists.
look at all the "SPEAK ENGLISH" bullshit US xenophobes promote. hispanic immigrants are Westernized, Catholic and have lower crime rates and they still provoke a racial backlash from the white middle class. appeasing racists is a fool's errand.
I think that the racial backlash in response to immigration originated as a lower/working class phenomena that is exploited by those in power and would-be fascists, which makes an alliance between the left and fascism seem suicidal at best.
HenryKrinkle posted:"assimilation" has nothing to do w/ toleration of democracy and pluralism and everything to do w/ meeting arbitrary benchmarks set up by white supremacists.
The white supremacist citizenship officer leaned back in his chair across from his newest applicant, a malicious grin spreading across his face.
"Just one more thing, Mr. Bhagwati, before we proceed to the next step on your application."
A cart bearing a covered tray is wheeled out in front of the immigrant. The officer lifts the cover to reveal a plate of steaming boiled beef and root vegetables, with absolutely no seasoning or sauce of any description.
"You have five minutes."
- ted nugent, 1996
swirlsofhistory posted:HenryKrinkle posted:"assimilation" has nothing to do w/ toleration of democracy and pluralism and everything to do w/ meeting arbitrary benchmarks set up by white supremacists.
The white supremacist citizenship officer leaned back in his chair across from his newest applicant, a malicious grin spreading across his face.
"Just one more thing, Mr. Bhagwati, before we proceed to the next step on your application."
A cart bearing a covered tray is wheeled out in front of the immigrant. The officer lifts the cover to reveal a plate of steaming boiled beef and root vegetables, with absolutely no seasoning or sauce of any description.
"You have five minutes."
stuff similar to this probably does happen in the screening processes for naturalization & it doesn't matter because citizenship doesn't protect v. well against discrimination for many people anyways. 
gyrofry posted:third position: its not just for ballet anymore
historically white leftists allying with fascists has yielded great results
HenryKrinkle posted:COINTELBRO, if your gimmick is being an unoriginal troll that makes hackneyed fakeposts which IWC himself wouldn't have done a year ago you've succeeded greatly.
I use this place to dump frightening reactionary ideas I encounter so people smarter than me can question it for me and maybe laugh sometimes. It's obviously transparent and I don't even pretend to troll. Sorry, Henry, but you're really nice to everyone else so your bossing me around intimidates me. I'll try to be a better poster for you.
Cheers.
HenryKrinkle posted:look at all the "SPEAK ENGLISH" bullshit US xenophobes promote. hispanic immigrants are Westernized, Catholic and have lower crime rates and they still provoke a racial backlash from the white middle class. appeasing racists is a fool's errand.
Well if this tension is inevitable maybe it's not worth fostering hatreds by having a migration system that encourages it.
Like Sweden at the moment.....seems to be that the logical policy decision is 'stop importing muslims' right? Regardless of whose fault it is then why not just keep the problem and tensions to a minimum by not having them there?
COINTELBRO posted:HenryKrinkle posted:COINTELBRO, if your gimmick is being an unoriginal troll that makes hackneyed fakeposts which IWC himself wouldn't have done a year ago you've succeeded greatly.
I use this place to dump frightening reactionary ideas I encounter so people smarter than me can question it for me and maybe laugh sometimes. It's obviously transparent and I don't even pretend to troll. Sorry, Henry, but you're really nice to everyone else so your bossing me around intimidates me. I'll try to be a better poster for you.
Cheers.
reactionaries are paper diapers
COINTELBRO posted:I use this place to dump frightening reactionary ideas I encounter so people smarter than me can question it for me and maybe laugh sometimes. It's obviously transparent and I don't even pretend to troll. Sorry, Henry, but you're really nice to everyone else so your bossing me around intimidates me. I'll try to be a better poster for you.
Cheers.
wait so you dont actually believe any of this stuff youve been posting, and arent really looking for leftists to join Golden Dawn with you? oh. heh. well then...just ignore all those PMs i sent i guess
Salud
wasted posted:I think that the racial backlash in response to immigration originated as a lower/working class phenomena that is exploited by those in power and would-be fascists, which makes an alliance between the left and fascism seem suicidal at best.
and at worst?