we dont permit reckless and dangerous behavior just because the moron doing it is too retarded to know better
babyfinland posted:
if you have a car accident you can still be held liable for it you dumbass
we dont permit reckless and dangerous behavior just because the moron doing it is too retarded to know better
yeah, and if you have a car accident and then the other person decides to purposefully jam their fist up where their steering column used to be and break it in three places you cannot be held liable for it. similarly, pregnancy + abortion.
Cycloneboy posted:
also, there's the fact that for pregnancy, both parties are obviously equally at fault, unlike in a car crash where one guy is drunk or w/e.
yes so they should both be held responsible duh
babyfinland posted:Cycloneboy posted:
also, there's the fact that for pregnancy, both parties are obviously equally at fault, unlike in a car crash where one guy is drunk or w/e.yes so they should both be held responsible duh
equally responsible, would you say?
babyfinland posted:
in abstract terms yeah (although it depends on the situation so no not in actuality) but considering Reality's Intrusion you can't legislate the same way so tough noogies
despite being literally physically tied to the fetus, the woman is legally much freer w/r/t it. Reality's Intrusion is to the benefit of the man, not the woman.
not to mention cultural and socioeconomic factors that render a man being generally far more appropriate an expected means of support for the child.
babyfinland posted:
that's why the law attempts to adjust for that you stupid dingus
yeah, it "attempts to adjust for that" by creating laws and structures that obviously, intrinsically bias against the male genetic parent.
Cycloneboy posted:babyfinland posted:
that's why the law attempts to adjust for that you stupid dingusyeah, it "attempts to adjust for that" by creating laws and structures that obviously, intrinsically bias against the male genetic parent.
we've just established that this is Good.
babyfinland posted:Cycloneboy posted:babyfinland posted:
that's why the law attempts to adjust for that you stupid dingusyeah, it "attempts to adjust for that" by creating laws and structures that obviously, intrinsically bias against the male genetic parent.
Good.
nature biases against women
so rather than compensating for that to create equality, let's bias against men.
- babyfinland's idea of "good"
babyfinland posted:
equality is a big commie joke anyway dont give me that bullshit
i don't believe in legal equality
- babyfinland
babyfinland posted:
why would i care about that if it wasnt in the service of justice
legal equality is one of the principles of justice.
Cycloneboy posted:babyfinland posted:
why would i care about that if it wasnt in the service of justicelegal equality is one of the principles of justice.
are you a prophet
so ronpa
http://www.wendymcelroy.com/mises.htm
babyfinland posted:
what a pathetic and limp response. legal equality is bullshit and you know it. it's an excuse to not grant justice.
in what alternate universe? legal equality may often be too weak, but that is because the laws are too weak, not because the principle itself is flawed.
Legal equality is born of the idea that it was wrong for some people to have excessively unjust privileges. While that is correct, the equality principle goes overboard. What is just is for a person to have legal privileges in accordance with their level of virtue, neither more nor less.
Cycloneboy posted:babyfinland posted:
what a pathetic and limp response. legal equality is bullshit and you know it. it's an excuse to not grant justice.in what alternate universe? legal equality may often be too weak, but that is because the laws are too weak, not because the principle itself is flawed.
if something is too weak to enforce justice, then why are you attacking it and demanding even weaker substitutions
youre crazy
babyfinland posted:
if something is too weak to enforce justice, then why are you attacking it and demanding even weaker substitutions
laws are often too weak to enforce justice, but you can't have justice in a system without legal equality.
the current paternity/maternity system is unjust because men and women are unequally privileged by it. just like it was bad Back In The Olden Days when paternity tests didn't exist and birth control and abortion were restricted/illegal, it is bad today. a woman who wishes to opt out of parenthood can choose numerous legal routes with little cost to her: abortion, putting the child up for adoption, etc. on the other hand, the man has none except praying really hard.
discipline posted:
legal equality ah yes.. wherein the black and white man are equal in the united stated of ameriAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
nice attempt to derail with an only tangentially related point. "oh, how can you bother to fight for women's reproductive rights? don't you know that in afghanistan, they throw acid on women's faces? shouldn't you be fighting that instead?"
Cycloneboy was probated until (Oct. 7, 2011 17:32:01) for this post!
discipline posted:
hey kiddo since you're still reading this let me explain how moderation on rhizzone works: the mod appoints a thread monitor (or plural), who can then probate people who make asses of themselves. since this is a bullshit misogyny thread, the mod wisely made the ciswoman (me) and mild-mannered job-holding married cisman thread monitors.
i don't recall saying anything misogynistic. could you provide examples
NounsareVerbs posted:
I have a valid complaint. I am a male teacher and can't get within 100m of a child or talk to a person under 18 outside a formal school setting without having parents, police, and vigilantes swarm to protect their sensitive little minds from the horrors of a positive male role model in their lives.
males are more likely to be pedophiles, so this feeling is justifiable, goes the argument. much the same way, it is okay to fear blacks
discipline posted:
hey kiddo since you're still reading this let me explain how moderation on rhizzone works: the mod appoints a thread monitor (or plural), who can then probate people who make asses of themselves. since this is a bullshit misogyny thread, the mod wisely made the ciswoman (me) and mild-mannered job-holding married cisman thread monitors.
who is the mild mannered married cisman of whom you speak?
discipline posted:
since this is a bullshit misogyny thread, the mod wisely made the ciswoman (me) and mild-mannered job-holding married cisman thread monitors.
how is the fact that you're both cisgendered relevant?
Cycloneboy posted:babyfinland posted:
if something is too weak to enforce justice, then why are you attacking it and demanding even weaker substitutionslaws are often too weak to enforce justice, but you can't have justice in a system without legal equality.
the current paternity/maternity system is unjust because men and women are unequally privileged by it. just like it was bad Back In The Olden Days when paternity tests didn't exist and birth control and abortion were restricted/illegal, it is bad today. a woman who wishes to opt out of parenthood can choose numerous legal routes with little cost to her: abortion, putting the child up for adoption, etc. on the other hand, the man has none except praying really hard.
cool thanks ron but the solution is not what youve proposed. no one is defending status quo as an actually good and equal social norm