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Mike Nelson here.
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bunch of layabouts
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Mike Nelson here.
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they are going to do it in toronto soon. fuckers.
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they are idiots
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Mike Nelson here.
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Impper posted:
they are idiots

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mt.real
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i was actually thinking about this last night. i keep seeing everyday normal people being all "fuck yeah! this is this shit!"

and then to the arguenerd lapsed communist population it's obviously lol what a pointless waste of time

do the cheerleaders not ever think about what the point is, is it just like ahaha now they'll know... (blank not filled in)!!! 99 percent bitches! yeah! this will change their ways!

it's sort of sad that it's so easy to capture people's tiny radical spirit and that it's directed toward e-cheering something entirely useless
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Mike Nelson here.
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ironically david graeber was helping coordinate the protests a bit
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i sort of get sad when i see relaly smart people justifying idiocies, always with excuses like "well this is a beginning, isn't it, everything had to start somewhere," because you know they think it's worthless but don't really see any revolutionary alternative anywhere else

then again i wonder how i would be reacting to stalin organizing workers, or hitler doing ... whatever hitler did. ordering his thugs to beating people up i guess. i probably would hav ejoined hitler
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Mike Nelson here.
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i might get a short thing in public administration so i can work for the man
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leadership is impossible yet would not be necessary if every douchebag who showed up could go out of their way to drop whatever inane pet message they were trying to push and stay vaguely on-topic. seems like an surmountable problem right? lol no
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the problem with organizing anarchists and liberals is that the one thing that's anathema to them is a unified voice or a unified mass
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Mike Nelson here.
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a good number of the protesters are ron paul types that would murder any leftist that had a chance so welp
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the tea party people are, from all appearances, absolute morons, yet they are able to stay on a range of discernible message on the narrow band of "too much taxes" to "islamic socialist fascist" - i.e. a problem with a certain clear type of (phantasmal) policies to a problem with a small discrete number of elected officials. argue that this is a failingly limited perspective, but it is a far more effective one for a protest than the range of "free palestine" to "regulate wall street" to "accept the Bolivian UN Imitative"
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Impper posted:
the problem with organizing anarchists and liberals is that the one thing that's anathema to them is a unified voice or a unified mass



jon stewart managed to get 70,000 of them to gather for the message of supporting centrism. regardless of how nonthreatening and marketable that message may be, it shows that the problem is at least somewhat one of leadership

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almost everyone i know went there either ironically or to get laid, or possibly both. i don't know if the message was abig deal, even though most of them did actually agree with it
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Mike Nelson here.
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centrism owns. it's like fascism except it is already here.
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also a march to support the status quo isn't really a protest so much as a fascist style show of force
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San Francisco
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I prefer the term "moderate".

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tardy on these heaters
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graeber wrote an article about it where he said that the point isnt the protest itself but the internal democratic forum
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San Francisco
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I found the system of saying something and having it being repeated by the crowd rather cool. It ensures everyone there can hear, and also inspires some unity.
#20
mt.real
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let's all get together and agree that whatever. cool? cool

k bye
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Impper posted:
the problem with organizing anarchists and liberals is that the one thing that's anathema to them is a unified voice or a unified mass



^^ this ^^

as long as liberal types maintain that The Most Important Thing is 'self-expression' then theyre ability to come together as a coherent political mass is null. for more on the importance of submitting the individual to the group, see codreanu, c.

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uh there have been liberal and anarchist political movements

so ahistorical...
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Impper posted:
i sort of get sad when i see relaly smart people justifying idiocies, always with excuses like "well this is a beginning, isn't it, everything had to start somewhere," because you know they think it's worthless but don't really see any revolutionary alternative anywhere else

then again i wonder how i would be reacting to stalin organizing workers, or hitler doing ... whatever hitler did. ordering his thugs to beating people up i guess. i probably would hav ejoined hitler

i dont know man hangin around right in front of the enemy's camp and getting beat up is not like sending a bunch of city workers out into peasant lands or having thugs go around doin thug things, i know this is an easy distinction, but this idiocy is a tiny step against a landslide. maybe if it will reach some sort of critical mass with really heavy police crackdowns, but instead it will probably just push towards security privatization. Peace

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lungfish posted:

I found the system of saying something and having it being repeated by the crowd rather cool. It ensures everyone there can hear, and also inspires some unity.

this is what needs to happen

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babyfinland posted:
uh there have been liberal and anarchist political movements

so ahistorical...



alright, ill revise: liberal types without either the backing of the rich or the cia

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San Francisco
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There was a pretty big liberal movement once, maybe you've heard of it, called the French Revolution
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San Francisco
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(Note: It ended in a horrific reign of terror and the rise of an imperialist Emperor)
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lungfish posted:
(Note: It ended in a horrific reign of terror and the rise of an imperialist Emperor)

Thank God For Communism!

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lungfish posted:
There was a pretty big liberal movement once, maybe you've heard of it, called the French Revolution



are you really going to draw a parallel between the french revolution and a gaggle of idiot children out sleeping in the rain.

if youre going to take my usage of the word 'liberal' to mean everyone who has ever liked parliaments from milton to today, then yes, i suppose there is a similarity. hurray for liberals.

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the jacobins are quintessential liberals Bruv
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Tsargon posted:

babyfinland posted:
uh there have been liberal and anarchist political movements

so ahistorical...

alright, ill revise: liberal types without either the backing of the rich or the cia



liberals, like fascists, are pretty much defined by being backed by the rich and CIA so

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Tsargon posted:
lungfish posted:
There was a pretty big liberal movement once, maybe you've heard of it, called the French Revolution


are you really going to draw a parallel between the french revolution and a gaggle of idiot children out sleeping in the rain.

if youre going to take my usage of the word 'liberal' to mean everyone who has ever liked parliaments from milton to today, then yes, i suppose there is a similarity. hurray for liberals.

at one point it may have meant something to be a liberal, that point is now moot, soggy, corrupt, weak, imbecilic, diseased, rotting

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Crow posted:

Tsargon posted:
lungfish posted:
There was a pretty big liberal movement once, maybe you've heard of it, called the French Revolution


are you really going to draw a parallel between the french revolution and a gaggle of idiot children out sleeping in the rain.

if youre going to take my usage of the word 'liberal' to mean everyone who has ever liked parliaments from milton to today, then yes, i suppose there is a similarity. hurray for liberals.

at one point it may have meant something to be a liberal, that point is now moot, soggy, corrupt, weak, imbecilic, diseased, rotting



Hey! But enough about my wife!

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babyfinland posted:
the jacobins are quintessential liberals Bruv



lord knows when someone mentions the word liberals in relation to the occupy wall street they think this



instead of this

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a tall thin man, dressed in a baggy and grease-stained white robe and matching turban, plunges out of a just stopped cab and into a multi-ethnic drum circle. stumbling, interrupting the rhythm, the man quickly catches himself and stands up straight in the middle of the group - drummers pausing, he waves his hands at his sides and shouts a bit above their heads 'WHERE IS YOUR MARAT?'

the circle is now completely quietened.

'DANTON?'

a filthy, half naked lawyer's son clutching a set of vaguely african drums coughs. his name is anton and he has misheard but, mistaking our hero for a wizard, he is only prepared to give this small signal that yes wizard, the first phase of your trick has worked, now let us now proceed to the guessing of dead relatives. but, unfortunately for all involved, the only magic at work here is that of illusion.
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Oh boy
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mt.real
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Tsargon posted:
babyfinland posted:
lord knows when someone mentions the word liberals in relation to the occupy wall street they think this

instead of this



we are too trained by media coverage to think that anything has to be done by us. since someone is watching tv, all you have to do is show up somewhere and hold up a sign. see also egypt

what do we want? change! when do we want it? now! anything in particular? no whatever. some new guys who are basically the same as the old? yeah sure i guess

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Tsargon posted:

babyfinland posted:
the jacobins are quintessential liberals Bruv

lord knows when someone mentions the word liberals in relation to the occupy wall street they think this



instead of this



i dont know bro, i was out today and i saw some hipsters that looked like that first picture

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babyfinland posted:
the jacobins are quintessential liberals Bruv



to be a liberal today is to be a monarchist in jacobin times

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Crow posted:

Impper posted:
i sort of get sad when i see relaly smart people justifying idiocies, always with excuses like "well this is a beginning, isn't it, everything had to start somewhere," because you know they think it's worthless but don't really see any revolutionary alternative anywhere else

then again i wonder how i would be reacting to stalin organizing workers, or hitler doing ... whatever hitler did. ordering his thugs to beating people up i guess. i probably would hav ejoined hitler

i dont know man hangin around right in front of the enemy's camp and getting beat up is not like sending a bunch of city workers out into peasant lands or having thugs go around doin thug things, i know this is an easy distinction, but this idiocy is a tiny step against a landslide. maybe if it will reach some sort of critical mass with really heavy police crackdowns, but instead it will probably just push towards security privatization. Peace



i supose that is possible. god knows that getting beat up by police is more than i did today