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Wherein he defends the authenticity of the arab spring and anti-communists

Why Capitalist Predators Think 2013 Will Be the Best Year Ever
As communists once were, today's capitalists are completely blinded by ideology.

The Christmas issue of the Spectator ran an editorial entitled "Why 2012 was the best year ever". It argued against the perception that we live in "a dangerous, cruel world where things are bad and getting worse". Here is the opening paragraph: "It may not feel like it, but 2012 has been the greatest year in the history of the world. That sounds like an extravagant claim, but it is borne out by evidence. Never has there been less hunger, less disease or more prosperity. The west remains in the economic doldrums, but most developing countries are charging ahead, and people are being lifted out of poverty at the fastest rate ever recorded. The death toll inflicted by war and natural disasters is also mercifully low. We are living in a golden age."

The same idea has been developed systematically in a number of bestsellers, from Matt Ridley's Rational Optimist to Steven Pinker's The Better Angels of Our Nature. There is also a more down-to-earth version that one often hears in the media, especially those of non-European countries: crisis, what crisis? Look at the so-called Bric countries of Brazil, Russia, India and China, or at Poland, South Korea, Singapore, Peru, even many sub-Saharan African states – they are all progressing. The losers are western Europe and, up to a point, the US, so we are not dealing with a global crisis, but simply with the shift of progress away from the west. Is a potent symbol of this shift not the fact that, recently, many people from Portugal, a country in deep crisis, are returning to Mozambique and Angola, ex-colonies of Portugal, but this time as economic immigrants, not as colonisers?

Even with regard to human rights: is the situation in China and Russia now not better than it was 50 years ago? Describing the ongoing crisis as a global phenomenon, the story goes, is a typical Eurocentrist view coming from leftists who usually pride themselves on their anti-Eurocentrism. Our "global crisis" is in fact a mere local blip in a larger story of overall progress.

But we should restrain our joy. The question to be raised is: if Europe alone is in gradual decay, what is replacing its hegemony? The answer is: "capitalism with Asian values" – which, of course, has nothing to do with Asian people and everything to do with the clear and present tendency of contemporary capitalism to limit or even suspend democracy.

This tendency in no way contradicts the much-celebrated progress of humanity – it is its immanent feature. All radical thinkers, from Marx to intelligent conservatives, were obsessed by the question: what is the price of progress? Marx was fascinated by capitalism, by the unheard-of productivity it unleashed; but he insisted this success engenders antagonisms. We should do the same today: keep in view the dark underside of global capitalism that is fomenting revolts.

People rebel not when things are really bad, but when their expectations are disappointed. The French revolution occurred only once the king and the nobles were losing their hold on power; the 1956 anti-communist revolt in Hungary exploded after Imre Nagy had already been a prime minister for two years, after (relatively) free debates among intellectuals; people rebelled in Egypt in 2011 because there was some economic progress under Mubarak, giving rise to a class of educated young people who participated in the universal digital culture. And this is why the Chinese Communists are right to panic: because, on average, people are now living better than 40 years ago – and the social antagonisms (between the newly rich and the rest) are exploding, and expectations are much higher.

That's the problem with development and progress: they are always uneven, they give birth to new instabilities and antagonisms, they generate new expectations that cannot be met. In Egypt just prior to the Arab spring, the majority lived a little better than before, but the standards by which they measured their (dis)satisfaction were much higher.

In order not to miss this link between progress and instability, one should always focus on how what first appears as an incomplete realisation of a social project signals its immanent limitation. There is a story (apocryphal, maybe) about the left-Keynesian economist John Galbraith: before a trip to the USSR in the late 1950s, he wrote to his anti-communist friend Sidney Hook: "Don't worry, I will not be seduced by the Soviets and return home claiming they have socialism!" Hook answered him promptly: "But that's what worries me – that you will return claiming USSR is not socialist!" What Hook feared was the naive defence of the purity of the concept: if things go wrong with building a socialist society, this does not invalidate the idea itself, it simply means we didn't implement it properly. Do we not detect the same naivety in today's market fundamentalists?

When, during a recent TV debate in France, the French philosopher and economist Guy Sorman claimed democracy and capitalism necessarily go together, I couldn't resist asking him the obvious question: "But what about China?" He snapped back: "In China there is no capitalism!" For the fanatically pro-capitalist Sorman, if a country is non-democratic, it is not truly capitalist, in exactly the same way that for a democratic communist, Stalinism was simply not an authentic form of communism.

This is how today's apologists for the market, in an unheard-of ideological kidnapping, explain the crisis of 2008: it was not the failure of the free market that caused it, but the excessive state regulation; the fact that our market economy was not a true one, but was instead in the clutches of the welfare state. When we dismiss the failures of market capitalism as accidental mishaps, we end up in a naive "progress-ism" that sees the solution as a more "authentic" and pure application of a notion, and thus tries to put out the fire by pouring oil on it.



http://www.alternet.org/economy/why-capitalist-predators-think-2013-will-be-best-year-ever

This is the ultimate failure of postmodernism to understand historical materialism imo

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this reads like something he wrote the night before the assignment was due. even so, for someone who claims to have read Lenin to write:

People rebel not when things are really bad, but when their expectations are disappointed. The French revolution occurred only once the king and the nobles were losing their hold on power; the 1956 anti-communist revolt in Hungary exploded after Imre Nagy had already been a prime minister for two years, after (relatively) free debates among intellectuals; people rebelled in Egypt in 2011 because there was some economic progress under Mubarak, giving rise to a class of educated young people who participated in the universal digital culture. And this is why the Chinese Communists are right to panic: because, on average, people are now living better than 40 years ago – and the social antagonisms (between the newly rich and the rest) are exploding, and expectations are much higher.


lol to that

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here's actual lenin:

The fundamental law of revolution, which has been confirmed by all revolutions and especially by all three Russian revolutions in the twentieth century, is as follows: for a revolution to take place it is not enough for the exploited and oppressed masses to realise the impossibility of living in the old way, and demand changes; for a revolution to take place it is essential that the exploiters should not be able to live and rule in the old way. It is only when the "lower classes" do not want to live in the old way and the "upper classes" cannot carry on in the old way that the revolution can triumph.



- Fashionable Communism: an Infantile Disorder

#5
article was cool
#6
I just can't get over this:

people rebelled in Egypt in 2011 because there was some economic progress under Mubarak, giving rise to a class of educated young people who participated in the universal digital culture



It's thomas friedman!!!

#7
does zizek have a ghostwriter now or he really that bad
#8
read this article from 1990 where he implies serbs are nazis and make up ur mind http://pastebin.com/HgSpQ4DW
#9
noted leninist slavoj zizek clearly wrote that in the first class section of a flight from new york to paris on the tail end of a three day coke binge
#10
on valentines day the guardian printed a zizek piece about a dildo fucking a fleshlight which was funny i guess. basically one day i hope to take all my transatlantic flights first class and be like my hero, miltoj zizedman
#11

jools posted:

read this article from 1990 where he implies serbs are nazis and make up ur mind http://pastebin.com/HgSpQ4DW



where

#12
we all have things from our past we're embarrassed about

*looks over towards box filled with XXL SS uniform*
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To mark their difference from the ‘Southerners’, recent Slovenian popular historiography has been obsessed with proving that Slovenes are not really Slavs but in fact of Etruscan origin. Serbs, on the other hand, excel in proving how Serbia was a victim of ‘Vatican–Comintern conspiracy’: their idée fixe is that there was a secret joint plan of Catholics and Communists to destroy Serbian statehood.

zizek presents this as if its symmetrical somehow lmao
#14
lovin these new avys gf
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"slovenian popular historiography" that slovenes are actually italians not slavs vs the serbian idee fixe of a vatican-comintern conspiracy to destroy serbian statehood. yes slavoj thats a fair equivalence.
#16

Crow posted:

lovin these new avys gf

thanks, mate. :glomp:

#17
i'm not following
#18
"Serbs reproach Slovenes with their ‘separatism’, which means simply that Slovenes are not prepared to recognize themselves as a sub-species of Serb."

C'MON SON
#19
i wish there was a vatican-comintern conspiracy. goddamn that would have owned. graham greene is the closest we ever got to it i guess, and his books are charming. granted they are some of the only fiction i've ever read, so maybe i'm missing out on a lot, but the power and the glory was some good shit brosephs.
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"Slovenes are being deprived of their enjoyment by ‘Southerners’ (Serbians, Bosnians) because of their proverbial laziness, Balkan corruption, dirty and noisy enjoyment, and because they demand bottomless economic support, stealing from Slovenes their precious accumulation by means of which Slovenia could already have caught up with Western Europe. The Slovenes themselves, on the other hand, are supposed to rob Serbs because of their unnatural diligence, stiffness and selfish calculation; instead of yielding to simple life pleasures, Slovenes perversely enjoy constantly devising means of depriving Serbs of the results of their hard labour, by commercial profiteering, by reselling what they bought cheaply in Serbia. "

i mean this could just be bad writing but how come slovenes ARE being deprived but are only SUPPOSED to be robbing serbs
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oh heres another cool one

"In Yugoslavia, the growing tensions between Serbs and Albanians, Croats and Serbs, Slovenes and Serbs, and so on, illustrate how corrupted local bureaucracies can prolong their power by presenting themselves as sole defenders of national interests."

lmao he could have just written the "growing tensions between the dirty serbian pigmen and everyone else" here
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"A popular pastime in Eastern Europe is no longer simply to put all the blame on Communists, but to play the game ‘who was behind the Communists?’ (Jews for Russians and Romanians; Croatians and Slovenes for Serbs; and so on). "


nazis NAZIS nazis NAZIS nazis NAZIS


ps how come the serbian accusation of slovenian separatism was a paranoid fantasy when it came true irl

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jools posted:

"Slovenes are being deprived of their enjoyment by ‘Southerners’ (Serbians, Bosnians) because of their proverbial laziness, Balkan corruption, dirty and noisy enjoyment, and because they demand bottomless economic support, stealing from Slovenes their precious accumulation by means of which Slovenia could already have caught up with Western Europe. The Slovenes themselves, on the other hand, are supposed to rob Serbs because of their unnatural diligence, stiffness and selfish calculation; instead of yielding to simple life pleasures, Slovenes perversely enjoy constantly devising means of depriving Serbs of the results of their hard labour, by commercial profiteering, by reselling what they bought cheaply in Serbia. "

i mean this could just be bad writing but how come slovenes ARE being deprived but are only SUPPOSED to be robbing serbs



maybe it's because English is not my native language, but i don't really see what you're getting at here. those aren't the realities on the ground, he's talking about ethnic fantasies structuring tension. slovenes arent actually DEPRIVED of their enjoyment by 'Southerners', just like they're not really robbing Serbs.

really, whatever silly ethnic fantasies suture his work from 23 years ago, he has consistently deployed these arguments to point out the need for a revolutionary state to traverse these ethnic fantasies: a total commitment to a Yugoslavian nation if there ever was one

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slovenia? his momma aint name him no slovenia
#25

Crow posted:

jools posted:

"Slovenes are being deprived of their enjoyment by ‘Southerners’ (Serbians, Bosnians) because of their proverbial laziness, Balkan corruption, dirty and noisy enjoyment, and because they demand bottomless economic support, stealing from Slovenes their precious accumulation by means of which Slovenia could already have caught up with Western Europe. The Slovenes themselves, on the other hand, are supposed to rob Serbs because of their unnatural diligence, stiffness and selfish calculation; instead of yielding to simple life pleasures, Slovenes perversely enjoy constantly devising means of depriving Serbs of the results of their hard labour, by commercial profiteering, by reselling what they bought cheaply in Serbia. "

i mean this could just be bad writing but how come slovenes ARE being deprived but are only SUPPOSED to be robbing serbs

maybe it's because English is not my native language, but i don't really see what you're getting at here. those aren't the realities on the ground, he's talking about ethnic fantasies structuring tension. slovenes arent actually DEPRIVED of their enjoyment by 'Southerners', just like they're not really robbing Serbs.

really, whatever silly ethnic fantasies suture his work from 23 years ago, he has consistently deployed these arguments to point out the need for a revolutionary state to traverse these ethnic fantasies: a total commitment to a Yugoslavian nation if there ever was one



lmao this owns. "yeah so what he was agitating for slovenian separatism while politically active in slovenia, NOW HE WRITES BOOKS AND GOES ON TV, THATS REAL COMMITMENT TO YUGOSLAVIA"

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There is a story (apocryphal, maybe) about the left-Keynesian economist John Galbraith: before a trip to the USSR in the late 1950s, he wrote to his anti-communist friend Sidney Hook: "Don't worry, I will not be seduced by the Soviets and return home claiming they have socialism!"

galbraith is why i wanted to become an economist. i read "the affluent society" in high school and really liked it. so i read more about pop-econ and shifted right-wing i guess. it was partially struggling with galbraith that i shifted back left. good times....

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im rubbing my eyes and doing backflips. total commitment to yugoslav nation after its dead and he argued for its killing. im rubbing myballs on the wall
#28
i've literally been to slovenia and i still don't see how its anything other than a made up generic east european nation from an american tv show, with a name that is literally 'slovenia' and cultural exports that include the fictional metafascist industrial music band 'laibach' and the fictional metastalinist philosopher whose name we're supposed to believe is actually 'slavoj zizek'
#29

Crow posted:

jools posted:

"Slovenes are being deprived of their enjoyment by ‘Southerners’ (Serbians, Bosnians) because of their proverbial laziness, Balkan corruption, dirty and noisy enjoyment, and because they demand bottomless economic support, stealing from Slovenes their precious accumulation by means of which Slovenia could already have caught up with Western Europe. The Slovenes themselves, on the other hand, are supposed to rob Serbs because of their unnatural diligence, stiffness and selfish calculation; instead of yielding to simple life pleasures, Slovenes perversely enjoy constantly devising means of depriving Serbs of the results of their hard labour, by commercial profiteering, by reselling what they bought cheaply in Serbia. "

i mean this could just be bad writing but how come slovenes ARE being deprived but are only SUPPOSED to be robbing serbs

maybe it's because English is not my native language, but i don't really see what you're getting at here. those aren't the realities on the ground, he's talking about ethnic fantasies structuring tension. slovenes arent actually DEPRIVED of their enjoyment by 'Southerners', just like they're not really robbing Serbs.



re this in particular, yes, i know thats what it says, but i'm really curious why he deploys the hypothetical with the serbian fantasy and not the slovene one

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i support slovenian independence because all small nations should have states. these states, in turn, must be loose federations of regions, which must be decentralized self-governing neighbourhoods. these neighbourhoods should have their own planned economies which mesh into national plans that make them basically equal. however, all of these nations will submit to a global overlord who will be, i dunno, either crow or jools, depending on the outcome of this thread.
#31

jools posted:

Crow posted:

jools posted:

"Slovenes are being deprived of their enjoyment by ‘Southerners’ (Serbians, Bosnians) because of their proverbial laziness, Balkan corruption, dirty and noisy enjoyment, and because they demand bottomless economic support, stealing from Slovenes their precious accumulation by means of which Slovenia could already have caught up with Western Europe. The Slovenes themselves, on the other hand, are supposed to rob Serbs because of their unnatural diligence, stiffness and selfish calculation; instead of yielding to simple life pleasures, Slovenes perversely enjoy constantly devising means of depriving Serbs of the results of their hard labour, by commercial profiteering, by reselling what they bought cheaply in Serbia. "

i mean this could just be bad writing but how come slovenes ARE being deprived but are only SUPPOSED to be robbing serbs

maybe it's because English is not my native language, but i don't really see what you're getting at here. those aren't the realities on the ground, he's talking about ethnic fantasies structuring tension. slovenes arent actually DEPRIVED of their enjoyment by 'Southerners', just like they're not really robbing Serbs.

really, whatever silly ethnic fantasies suture his work from 23 years ago, he has consistently deployed these arguments to point out the need for a revolutionary state to traverse these ethnic fantasies: a total commitment to a Yugoslavian nation if there ever was one

lmao this owns. "yeah so what he was agitating for slovenian separatism while politically active in slovenia, NOW HE WRITES BOOKS AND GOES ON TV, THATS REAL COMMITMENT TO YUGOSLAVIA"



unlike you, joolsy boy, i try not to concern myself with the minutiae of people's personal lives, in order to start issuing moral condemnations. what i try to concern myself with, and not specifically zizek, are people's ideas and not their imperfect or incomplete, deeply personal relation to the issues surrounding their immediate lives.

what i find useful in his analysis of 'ethnic fantasies' is the psychoanalytic concept of 'traversal'. and, personally, i don't care what his emotional commitment is to Yugoslavia, because the way these arguments are deployed leads to the re-emergence of a socialist Yugoslavia. thanks

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#33

jools posted:

im rubbing my eyes and doing backflips. total commitment to yugoslav nation after its dead and he argued for its killing. im rubbing myballs on the wall



sounds like you need to maybe join a youth sport league, use all that energy in more healthy and communal ways!

also, care to comment on the narcissistic gesture of posting your dick on the world wide web?? since apparently sins compound themselves through one's lifetime

#34

Crow posted:

jools posted:

Crow posted:

jools posted:

"Slovenes are being deprived of their enjoyment by ‘Southerners’ (Serbians, Bosnians) because of their proverbial laziness, Balkan corruption, dirty and noisy enjoyment, and because they demand bottomless economic support, stealing from Slovenes their precious accumulation by means of which Slovenia could already have caught up with Western Europe. The Slovenes themselves, on the other hand, are supposed to rob Serbs because of their unnatural diligence, stiffness and selfish calculation; instead of yielding to simple life pleasures, Slovenes perversely enjoy constantly devising means of depriving Serbs of the results of their hard labour, by commercial profiteering, by reselling what they bought cheaply in Serbia. "

i mean this could just be bad writing but how come slovenes ARE being deprived but are only SUPPOSED to be robbing serbs

maybe it's because English is not my native language, but i don't really see what you're getting at here. those aren't the realities on the ground, he's talking about ethnic fantasies structuring tension. slovenes arent actually DEPRIVED of their enjoyment by 'Southerners', just like they're not really robbing Serbs.

really, whatever silly ethnic fantasies suture his work from 23 years ago, he has consistently deployed these arguments to point out the need for a revolutionary state to traverse these ethnic fantasies: a total commitment to a Yugoslavian nation if there ever was one

lmao this owns. "yeah so what he was agitating for slovenian separatism while politically active in slovenia, NOW HE WRITES BOOKS AND GOES ON TV, THATS REAL COMMITMENT TO YUGOSLAVIA"

unlike you, joolsy boy, i try not to concern myself with the minutiae of people's personal lives, in order to start issuing moral condemnations. what i try to concern myself with, and not specifically zizek, are people's ideas and not their imperfect or incomplete, deeply personal relation to the issues surrounding their immediate lives.

what i find useful in his analysis of 'ethnic fantasies' is the psychoanalytic concept of 'traversal'. and, personally, i don't care what his emotional commitment is to Yugoslavia, because the way these arguments are deployed leads to the re-emergence of a socialist Yugoslavia. thanks



how is running for president for a party that pushed the US line in slovenia "minutiae of people's personal lives". how is writing speeches for them well into the mid-late 90s "minutiae of people's personal lives". how is the fact that he has also never actually in any full or satisfactory way addressed this one period of irl political engagement in his life not fucking suspect.

you're a god damn idealist crow, you seem to think that a some guy's cracked up half-baked ideas about "traversal of fantasies" - here deployed precisely to occlude and obscure the truth of a situation, to claim that the serb fear of slovenian separatism was foundationless bullshit even though it happened within the year - are more important than questioning what on earth this guys overall intellectual trajectory actually means.

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and, assuming you're taking the same line as usual with this, could you actually define what a "superficial reading" is?
#36

jools posted:

Crow posted:

jools posted:

"Slovenes are being deprived of their enjoyment by ‘Southerners’ (Serbians, Bosnians) because of their proverbial laziness, Balkan corruption, dirty and noisy enjoyment, and because they demand bottomless economic support, stealing from Slovenes their precious accumulation by means of which Slovenia could already have caught up with Western Europe. The Slovenes themselves, on the other hand, are supposed to rob Serbs because of their unnatural diligence, stiffness and selfish calculation; instead of yielding to simple life pleasures, Slovenes perversely enjoy constantly devising means of depriving Serbs of the results of their hard labour, by commercial profiteering, by reselling what they bought cheaply in Serbia. "

i mean this could just be bad writing but how come slovenes ARE being deprived but are only SUPPOSED to be robbing serbs

maybe it's because English is not my native language, but i don't really see what you're getting at here. those aren't the realities on the ground, he's talking about ethnic fantasies structuring tension. slovenes arent actually DEPRIVED of their enjoyment by 'Southerners', just like they're not really robbing Serbs.

re this in particular, yes, i know thats what it says, but i'm really curious why he deploys the hypothetical with the serbian fantasy and not the slovene one



as far as i can tell they're both hypothetical, beyond that slavoj zizek is a slovenian

#37

Crow posted:

jools posted:

Crow posted:

jools posted:

"Slovenes are being deprived of their enjoyment by ‘Southerners’ (Serbians, Bosnians) because of their proverbial laziness, Balkan corruption, dirty and noisy enjoyment, and because they demand bottomless economic support, stealing from Slovenes their precious accumulation by means of which Slovenia could already have caught up with Western Europe. The Slovenes themselves, on the other hand, are supposed to rob Serbs because of their unnatural diligence, stiffness and selfish calculation; instead of yielding to simple life pleasures, Slovenes perversely enjoy constantly devising means of depriving Serbs of the results of their hard labour, by commercial profiteering, by reselling what they bought cheaply in Serbia. "

i mean this could just be bad writing but how come slovenes ARE being deprived but are only SUPPOSED to be robbing serbs

maybe it's because English is not my native language, but i don't really see what you're getting at here. those aren't the realities on the ground, he's talking about ethnic fantasies structuring tension. slovenes arent actually DEPRIVED of their enjoyment by 'Southerners', just like they're not really robbing Serbs.

re this in particular, yes, i know thats what it says, but i'm really curious why he deploys the hypothetical with the serbian fantasy and not the slovene one

as far as i can tell they're both hypothetical, beyond that slavoj zizek is a slovenian



so was tito.

#38
and no, they're not both hypothetical. at the beginning he talks about these dual fantasies, but then for some reason deploys the hypothetical with the serbian one and not with the slovene one. why? maybe this implies a looseness with the slovenian fantasy? that it might be realer than the serbian one? who can say? all i can say is it smells off
#39
and as i've demonstrated above, they are explicitly not symmetrical! some revisionist ethnic history is completely fucking different to precisely the kind of conspiracy idea that lies behind any fascism! he's being dishonest as shit!
#40
you have 1 chance to give back the clay where is the clay

dont do this shit