angelbutt_dollface posted:sex (cycloneboy you are not human, sorry bro)
Yes but this still boils down to dopamine, cycloneboy also gets dopamine hits from his ridiculous moralizing and faux-identity as an “asexual”
swirlsofhistory posted:you ask people what motivates them, or get them to do things and ask them if they feel motivated, then you make a big list of things that motivate people and things that don't motivate them
people aren't going to give you honest answers though
Ironicwarcriminal posted:swirlsofhistory posted:
you ask people what motivates them, or get them to do things and ask them if they feel motivated, then you make a big list of things that motivate people and things that don't motivate them
people aren't going to give you honest answers though
some might lie, but as long as there's a possible criterion on which to determine what a lie and what a genuine response would look like, there's no problem. the list just has to be adjusted to better reflect honest answers
discipline posted:why do I do things then I'm a person too you asshole
to get pussy, probably. stop challenging my worldview
swirlsofhistory posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
swirlsofhistory posted:
you ask people what motivates them, or get them to do things and ask them if they feel motivated, then you make a big list of things that motivate people and things that don't motivate them
people aren't going to give you honest answers though
some might lie, but as long as there's a possible criterion on which to determine what a lie and what a genuine response would look like, there's no problem. the list just has to be adjusted to better reflect honest answers
but if it is all for dopamine then there's essentially no difference in motivation between say, distributing food packages in the Ogaden or raping your daughter in an Austrian basement.
AmericanNazbro posted:it's largely irrelevant
i don't think so, attempting to understand human society without knowing what truly drives humans strikes me as putting the cart before the horse
deadken posted:the transcendent object of desire exists on the order of the Real and cannot be conceptualised, we're reaching for something but we will never know what it is. ultimately the object of desire is immaterial in all senses of the word, the will is significant only through the fact of its futility
what the fuck is wrong with you
deadken posted:Aesthetics.
deadken posted:the transcendent object of desire exists on the order of the Real and cannot be conceptualised, we're reaching for something but we will never know what it is. ultimately the object of desire is immaterial in all senses of the word, the will is significant only through the fact of its futility
nah, that's fluff. We're animals like all other animals, we must behave for observable reasons.
deadken posted:oh yeah there is jouissance which is basically dopamine or whatever, i think lacan's point is that 'normal' human behaviour isn't reducible to simple pleasure-seeking, its just that the other component is, in being transcendent/'higher'/whatever, basically futile
but if you boil it down enough that desire for transcendence is probably just trying to trigger the same mechanism....you can't have drugs or get laid 24/7 but "big ideas" can keep giving you that hit, like a nicotine patch or wahtever
Ironicwarcriminal posted:deadken posted:oh yeah there is jouissance which is basically dopamine or whatever, i think lacan's point is that 'normal' human behaviour isn't reducible to simple pleasure-seeking, its just that the other component is, in being transcendent/'higher'/whatever, basically futile
but if you boil it down enough that desire for transcendence is probably just trying to trigger the same mechanism....you can't have drugs or get laid 24/7 but "big ideas" can keep giving you that hit, like a nicotine patch or wahtever
i dont think its so much a desire for transcendence (although it can manifest itself as that) as a desire that is itself transcendent.... i mean like the fact that i spend a non-insubstantial amount of time posting on an ironic politics forum for people who were successively exiled from two larger ironic politics forums doesnt give me any kind of 'hit' or make me feel that good and yet i keep doing it
deadken posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
deadken posted:
oh yeah there is jouissance which is basically dopamine or whatever, i think lacan's point is that 'normal' human behaviour isn't reducible to simple pleasure-seeking, its just that the other component is, in being transcendent/'higher'/whatever, basically futile
but if you boil it down enough that desire for transcendence is probably just trying to trigger the same mechanism....you can't have drugs or get laid 24/7 but "big ideas" can keep giving you that hit, like a nicotine patch or wahtever
i dont think its so much a desire for transcendence (although it can manifest itself as that) as a desire that is itself transcendent.... i mean like the fact that i spend a non-insubstantial amount of time posting on an ironic politics forum for people who were successively exiled from two larger ironic politics forums doesnt give me any kind of 'hit' or make me feel that good and yet i keep doing it
See you say that but my contention is that it does. When you post a funny burn, or a clever comment, or get positive feedback from one of your stories, it is delivering you that dopamine.
There's no shame in admitting that.
animedad posted:but the neurotic/masochist desires to not get his way. wasnt that in part the failure of a theory of motivation based purely on chemicals?
who is this referring to, i don't follow
War.
the TCI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperament_and_Character_Inventory) uses dopamine/serotonin/adrenaline dimensions to build a persons temperament, so the interaction of all of these helps form the biochemical basis for someone's "motivation."