tpaine posted:

queer as in weird or queer as in gay? this is really hard you guys

Its fucking trippy as fuck for sure

tpaine posted:

i guess getfiscals new thing is adding to the insanity of my inbox by adopting an extreme russian nationalist perspective and sending me all kinds of news article where he makes really racist and hateful comments. like he sent me a news article about russia using white phosphorus in chechnya and the title was literally "Kentucky Fried Chechens!" Are people only this queer (weird) when they talk to me in pms?

Q: When is it okay to release gas in school?

A: Beslan.

babyfinland posted:

Skylark posted:

babyfinland posted:

wow its really amazing how if you jujst add a zizekism prior to whatever passage you can grant zizekian authority to said passage. barthes u are working for fascism. i claim

I saw the zekster getting very homophobic in a book i was reading a few days ago....

he can hardly restrain himself from announcing the superiority of western civiliztaion every five pages so yeah im not surprised. which book

He was talking about how orthodoxy is more revolutionary than being "new" for its own sake

Take today’s deadlock of sexuality or art: is there anything more dull, opportunistic, and sterile than to succumb to the superego injunction of incessantly inventing new artistic transgressions and provocations (the performance artist masturbating on stage, or masochistically cutting himself; the sculptor displaying decaying animal corpses or human excrement), or to the parallel injunction to engage in more and more “daring” forms of sexuality? ...
When the detective in a police romance stands alone, and somewhat fatuously fearless amid the knives and fists of a thief’s kitchen, it does certainly serve to make us remember that it is the agent of social justice who is the original and poetic figure, while the burglars and footpads are merely placid old cosmic conservatives, happy in the immemorial respectability of apes and wolves. is based on the fact that morality is the most dark and daring of conspiracies...

And what if, in our postmodern world of ordained transgression, in which the marital commitment is perceived as ridiculously out of date, those who cling to it are the true subversives? What if, today, straight marriage is “the most dark and daring of all transgressions”?

from The Puppet and the Dwarf

Imo the implications of this are kinda offensive and bugged me.. but otherwise i think the books alrite

Skylark posted:

babyfinland posted:

Skylark posted:

babyfinland posted:

wow its really amazing how if you jujst add a zizekism prior to whatever passage you can grant zizekian authority to said passage. barthes u are working for fascism. i claim

I saw the zekster getting very homophobic in a book i was reading a few days ago....

he can hardly restrain himself from announcing the superiority of western civiliztaion every five pages so yeah im not surprised. which book

He was talking about how orthodoxy is more revolutionary than being "new" for its own sake

Take today’s deadlock of sexuality or art: is there anything more dull, opportunistic, and sterile than to succumb to the superego injunction of incessantly inventing new artistic transgressions and provocations (the performance artist masturbating on stage, or masochistically cutting himself; the sculptor displaying decaying animal corpses or human excrement), or to the parallel injunction to engage in more and more “daring” forms of sexuality? ...
When the detective in a police romance stands alone, and somewhat fatuously fearless amid the knives and fists of a thief’s kitchen, it does certainly serve to make us remember that it is the agent of social justice who is the original and poetic figure, while the burglars and footpads are merely placid old cosmic conservatives, happy in the immemorial respectability of apes and wolves. is based on the fact that morality is the most dark and daring of conspiracies...

And what if, in our postmodern world of ordained transgression, in which the marital commitment is perceived as ridiculously out of date, those who cling to it are the true subversives? What if, today, straight marriage is “the most dark and daring of all transgressions”?

from The Puppet and the Dwarf

Imo the implications of this are kinda offensive and bugged me.. but otherwise i think the books alrite

does his argument appear sound to you in the first instance though?

discipline posted:

HAHA I'm having a futurewidow sort of day w/r/t to the male sex

earlier I openly heckled a man on the street for looking at ads for prostitutes in public and scared my male friend a bit I think ahahah

i'd appreciate it if you didn't talk that way about my incredibly loving and thoughtful kinda-sorta-girlfriend! she does not have a pricetag.

Edited by dm (May 29, 2012 05:58:49)

babyfinland posted:

Skylark posted:

babyfinland posted:

Skylark posted:

babyfinland posted:

wow its really amazing how if you jujst add a zizekism prior to whatever passage you can grant zizekian authority to said passage. barthes u are working for fascism. i claim

I saw the zekster getting very homophobic in a book i was reading a few days ago....

he can hardly restrain himself from announcing the superiority of western civiliztaion every five pages so yeah im not surprised. which book

He was talking about how orthodoxy is more revolutionary than being "new" for its own sake

Take today’s deadlock of sexuality or art: is there anything more dull, opportunistic, and sterile than to succumb to the superego injunction of incessantly inventing new artistic transgressions and provocations (the performance artist masturbating on stage, or masochistically cutting himself; the sculptor displaying decaying animal corpses or human excrement), or to the parallel injunction to engage in more and more “daring” forms of sexuality? ...
When the detective in a police romance stands alone, and somewhat fatuously fearless amid the knives and fists of a thief’s kitchen, it does certainly serve to make us remember that it is the agent of social justice who is the original and poetic figure, while the burglars and footpads are merely placid old cosmic conservatives, happy in the immemorial respectability of apes and wolves. is based on the fact that morality is the most dark and daring of conspiracies...

And what if, in our postmodern world of ordained transgression, in which the marital commitment is perceived as ridiculously out of date, those who cling to it are the true subversives? What if, today, straight marriage is “the most dark and daring of all transgressions”?

from The Puppet and the Dwarf

Imo the implications of this are kinda offensive and bugged me.. but otherwise i think the books alrite

does his argument appear sound to you in the first instance though?

Not really, I'm sure these vulgar "anti-art" things could be done in a way that I would consider them to be good art (Where is the poop done? And in what context? etc). For example, there is definitely a lot of widely praised art that I would consider to be less powerful than films by Yellow Peepee Monster.

But that isnt really relevant to my issue with it which is that he mentions ppl escalating the obscenity of their fetishes in isolated sexual indulgences, and then seems to later lump homosexuality in with whatever else he had in mind when he talked about increasingly disgusting fetishes people pursued outside of monogamy purely for the sake of outdoing themselves in transgressing the norm

Skylark posted:

babyfinland posted:

Skylark posted:

babyfinland posted:

Skylark posted:

babyfinland posted:

wow its really amazing how if you jujst add a zizekism prior to whatever passage you can grant zizekian authority to said passage. barthes u are working for fascism. i claim

I saw the zekster getting very homophobic in a book i was reading a few days ago....

he can hardly restrain himself from announcing the superiority of western civiliztaion every five pages so yeah im not surprised. which book

He was talking about how orthodoxy is more revolutionary than being "new" for its own sake

Take today’s deadlock of sexuality or art: is there anything more dull, opportunistic, and sterile than to succumb to the superego injunction of incessantly inventing new artistic transgressions and provocations (the performance artist masturbating on stage, or masochistically cutting himself; the sculptor displaying decaying animal corpses or human excrement), or to the parallel injunction to engage in more and more “daring” forms of sexuality? ...
When the detective in a police romance stands alone, and somewhat fatuously fearless amid the knives and fists of a thief’s kitchen, it does certainly serve to make us remember that it is the agent of social justice who is the original and poetic figure, while the burglars and footpads are merely placid old cosmic conservatives, happy in the immemorial respectability of apes and wolves. is based on the fact that morality is the most dark and daring of conspiracies...

And what if, in our postmodern world of ordained transgression, in which the marital commitment is perceived as ridiculously out of date, those who cling to it are the true subversives? What if, today, straight marriage is “the most dark and daring of all transgressions”?

from The Puppet and the Dwarf

Imo the implications of this are kinda offensive and bugged me.. but otherwise i think the books alrite

does his argument appear sound to you in the first instance though?

Not really, I'm sure these vulgar "anti-art" things could be done in a way that I would consider them to be good art (Where is the poop done? And in what context? etc). For example, there is definitely a lot of widely praised art that I would consider to be less powerful than films by Yellow Peepee Monster.

But that isnt really relevant to my issue with it which is that he mentions ppl escalating the obscenity of their fetishes in isolated sexual indulgences, and then seems to later lump homosexuality in with whatever else he had in mind when he talked about increasingly disgusting fetishes people pursued outside of monogamy purely for the sake of outdoing themselves in transgressing the norm

yeah i see. zizek is really bad about crafting these flimsy arguments that appeal to the already-converted fanbase but dont really make any sense

he is really an Apologist in the sense of crafting theoretical justifications for an assumed Correct program moreso than advancing critique or whatever

GoldenLionTamarin posted:

someone buy zizek an account

at weightwatchers.com

AmericanNazbro posted:

Cycloneboy posted:

hey, discipline, you never answered my question as to whether the problem with pornography is that mainstream pornography is racist sexist trash (like most mainstream media) as your article would imply or because of some absurd bullshit where getting membership on ideepthroat is aiding human trafficking?

you sure know a lot about the details of pornography for a purported asexual

are you sure you are asexual and not just an autistic moron? that was rhetorical btw

i also know a lot about the details of warfare in the early middle ages for someone who lives in the 21st century. it's called research. jesus.

getfiscal posted:

hey son mom here i'm at the store but i wanted to check if you started that home school independent research project we talked about. oh you want to tool around on the internet looking at pornography for a few hours, sure that sounds like a good idea. make sure to check out ideepthroat, that will help out your bibliography. remember not to think of any of this when you mechanically masturbate yourself to empty excess fluids, my little asexual rabbit. oh by the way one of my boyfriend's is coming over and you know you're mommy's little secret so be prepared for a little quality backyard shed time. you're such a good sport about that. anyway remember to eat! you're a growing boy! byeee

wow, implying single mothers can't raise children well. NICE. REAL NICE.