I just got accepted on the MPhil/PhD back at the college where I did my MA. However, whereas then the internal bursary covered nearly all of the fees, for the course I've just been offered even with the bursary taking £3000 off they are asking for around another £6000 for this first year (I earn £14000 a year and have no savings so it's a fairly simple decision that I can't afford this). Am I being naive to think that there are institutions that want the research produced by their students? I know that there are people who are on funded PhDs, but is that all moving to be a thing of the past? As I said, I know I can't do this course on the terms offered, I'd just like to know how realistic my expectations about institutional research are going forward, maybe applying somewhere further afield.
In the interests of full disclosure, I am a worthless piece of shit who is more or less studying philosophy and sculpture. On the other hand I am also a researcher and teacher at a school for disabled children (a lot of my work is using D&G to develop non-heirarchical object-based group teaching and learning.) so my karma is fairly messy.
FrancoNero posted:Am I being naive to think that there are institutions that want the research produced by their students?
institutions want cheap labour producing research that brings in more funding
FrancoNero posted:I know that there are people who are on funded PhDs, but is that all moving to be a thing of the past?
if you're willing to be the cheap labour described above you can get funded, if you want to do something other than handle-cranking good luck
shennong posted:if you're willing to be the cheap labour described above you can get funded, if you want to do something other than handle-cranking good luck
by this do you mean those advertised funded PhDs where the topic is already set i.e. "The pan-generational growth of Sythesis Anarchism amongst to wading birds of the Norfolk coast" ?
But there are studentships available it seems, if only one per year, at some places where the doesn't seem to be set area of study, or are you saying that even in those, there's a heavy institutional agenda?
shennong posted:6000 pounds a year for an unfunded program is pretty crazy though
fees are £9000 in total, the "bursary" knocks 3 grand off.
in north america it is generally recommended not to do a research degree without a full funding package. in the UK it is a bit different because degrees are typically shorter. however it is very difficult to get into a "good" school (if you care about that) in the US for a funded position.
the phd is a job training program and the number of jobs available for that sort of skill are very limited. there has also been a shift in universities towards sessional lecturers, i've heard of one university hiring people on month-long contracts.
also if you like D&G then you will find that your philosohpy phd options are somewhat limited because the anglosphere is dominated by analytic philosophy.
getfiscal posted:also if you like D&G then you will find that your philosohpy phd options are somewhat limited because the anglosphere is dominated by analytic philosophy.
I'm applying though Art and Design departments but that's still really interesting to hear. I know that used to be the case in the 90s (and later in America) but I just assumed that it had evened out and everyone had got over it.
FrancoNero posted:I'm applying though Art and Design departments but that's still really interesting to hear. I know that used to be the case in the 90s (and later in America) but I just assumed that it had evened out and everyone had got over it.
oh if you are doing a degree in something like art history then there wouldn't be a problem, i mean philosophy as in the philosophy department proper.
FrancoNero posted:shennong posted:if you're willing to be the cheap labour described above you can get funded, if you want to do something other than handle-cranking good luck
by this do you mean those advertised funded PhDs where the topic is already set i.e. "The pan-generational growth of Sythesis Anarchism amongst to wading birds of the Norfolk coast" ?
But there are studentships available it seems, if only one per year, at some places where the doesn't seem to be set area of study, or are you saying that even in those, there's a heavy institutional agenda?
i mostly just mean that theres a lot of money sloshing around in academia for research that is a) likely to garner external funding b) commercialisable or c) aggrandises the interests of the institution or its major donors. if you want to do somethign that isn't any of those, you'll probably need to scrabble to piece together a stipend
if you're willing to relocate, other institutions have much lower tuition, guaranteed stipends etc. they're still poverty line but it's better than unfunded
I want to do economics and I will have all the math and shit I need by the end of this year but I am worried that my gpa is too low. I was thinking about trying to get something published in a student journal to show I'm somewhat for real and not a loser but I dont know if admissions committees care. I'd like some tips... if thats okay. sorry joey for being a piece of shit on your forum.
shennong posted:also generally speaking i'd recommend that unless you're totally unemployable that you not do a phd or whatever unless you have a really specific idea of who you want to study under and what you want to do afterwards. grad school has been pretty decent for me as i didn't really know what i wanted to do with myself and being in natural sciences it was pretty straightforward to be funded all the way through, but if i'd had a decent job out of undergrad i would have been much better off just sticking with that instead of getting a bunch of letters after my name no one gives a shit about
I did my MA full time while teaching at the same time and it nearly ended me. The main reason for wanting to go back and do the research degree is to have dedicated period of time working on this one thing, within an institution that can support that, so without funding to a level that I can drop back to a day or two's teaching a week it simply doesn't do what I want it to do.
Without that I'm just going to continue effectively doing the same thing but outside of an institution, each year checking in to see if anywhere is willing to pay me to do it.
The irony of looking for state aproval to study D&G is not lost on me.
stegosaurus posted:I want to do economics and I will have all the math and shit I need by the end of this year but I am worried that my gpa is too low. I was thinking about trying to get something published in a student journal to show I'm somewhat for real and not a loser but I dont know if admissions committees care. I'd like some tips... if thats okay. sorry joey for being a piece of shit on your forum.
what sort of economics job do you want? what sort of economics do you want to study? if you don't have an economics degree you might have to do additional work or a trial year or something. also as you seem to get you can never have too much math for economics. many people that apply to phds in economics now have degrees with courses in physics or advanced math. also you need to prove you're able to gain comprehensive knowledge of orthodox theory because most schools actively try to kill off their heterodox faction.
FrancoNero posted:I did my MA full time while teaching at the same time and it nearly ended me. The main reason for wanting to go back and do the research degree is to have dedicated period of time working on this one thing, within an institution that can support that, so without funding to a level that I can drop back to a day or two's teaching a week it simply doesn't do what I want it to do.
Without that I'm just going to continue effectively doing the same thing but outside of an institution, each year checking in to see if anywhere is willing to pay me to do it.
The irony of looking for state aproval to study D&G is not lost on me.
do you ultimately want to work in academia tho?
getfiscal posted:stegosaurus posted:I want to do economics and I will have all the math and shit I need by the end of this year but I am worried that my gpa is too low. I was thinking about trying to get something published in a student journal to show I'm somewhat for real and not a loser but I dont know if admissions committees care. I'd like some tips... if thats okay. sorry joey for being a piece of shit on your forum.
what sort of economics job do you want? what sort of economics do you want to study? if you don't have an economics degree you might have to do additional work or a trial year or something. also as you seem to get you can never have too much math for economics. many people that apply to phds in economics now have degrees with courses in physics or advanced math. also you need to prove you're able to gain comprehensive knowledge of orthodox theory because most schools actively try to kill off their heterodox faction.
I'll have math up to real analysis (thats after three calculus courses and linear algebra) and second-year stats by the winter, which is enough I'm told. the departments I'm applying to are heterodox and a couple of them are slipping (the new school seems to be getting more orthodox, utah gets no money and an alternative econ department is being built up in the business school) but most of them have space for non-orthodox people, even though they do teach orthodox and test on it. many of the professors publish in heterodox journals so I'm not worried about fighting for space, at least not in grad school.
as far as a job I'd like to teach and don't really care where or for how much. I have a vague idea that education might make me a more useful activist as well but that's probably phony.
stegosaurus posted:I'll have math up to real analysis (thats after three calculus courses and linear algebra) and second-year stats by the winter, which is enough I'm told. the departments I'm applying to are heterodox and a couple of them are slipping (the new school seems to be getting more orthodox, utah gets no money and an alternative econ department is being built up in the business school) but most of them have space for non-orthodox people, even though they do teach orthodox and test on it. many of the professors publish in heterodox journals so I'm not worried about fighting for space, at least not in grad school.
as far as a job I'd like to teach and don't really care where or for how much. I have a vague idea that education might make me a more useful activist as well but that's probably phony.
cool.
it seems like the gulf between what you're taught in an undergrad program and in a grad program in economics is so much wider than in undergrad and grad history programs, and so it seems like it's harder to do higher-level econ from outside an econ department.
shennong posted:do you ultimately want to work in academia tho?
I've been a visiting lecturer at a few univerisities and I would like to make writing more part of what I do, aside from that It's neither a goal nor something I'm avoiding. I'm really trying to get more independence and options over the longer term, to be able to work in different contexts as a specialist and not be tied to one school.
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NEOADMINISTRATOR posted:DO NOT DO IT.
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youre a computer programmer engineering guy joey.
As getfiscal told you, the odds of you getting a tenure track position is incredibly slim unless you are beyond brilliant or you have very influential parents/relatives. As an upside, all the people I know that did a phd in humanities really enjoyed it and never really had the insane workloads of science phds. They just had a horrible time finding anything in their field after they finished.
life is so hard.
FrancoNero posted:shennong posted:do you ultimately want to work in academia tho?
I've been a visiting lecturer at a few univerisities and I would like to make writing more part of what I do, aside from that It's neither a goal nor something I'm avoiding. I'm really trying to get more independence and options over the longer term, to be able to work in different contexts as a specialist and not be tied to one school.
are you aware of any other independent d&g writer specialists
shennong posted:are you aware of any other independent d&g writer specialists
what do you mean? I know a few people who's work involves D&G who aren't university lecturers if that's what you mean.
shennong posted:FrancoNero posted:shennong posted:do you ultimately want to work in academia tho?
I've been a visiting lecturer at a few univerisities and I would like to make writing more part of what I do, aside from that It's neither a goal nor something I'm avoiding. I'm really trying to get more independence and options over the longer term, to be able to work in different contexts as a specialist and not be tied to one school.
are you aware of any other independent d&g writer specialists
the schizophrenic homeless dude who lives near the perc ponds by my house, i can forward any questions you may have about rhizomes
cleanhands posted:NOT to be confused with lore, its very hard finding a job doing lore these days
I literally did this for a while.
FrancoNero posted:shennong posted:are you aware of any other independent d&g writer specialists
what do you mean? I know a few people who's work involves D&G who aren't university lecturers if that's what you mean.
i'm just curious what the market is like for someone with a PhD in d&g who doesn't want to be tied to a specific institution, like what do those people do exactly
stegosaurus posted:I cant get a decent job with a history degree and my only other skill is programming, but since I don't have a degree in that I'd have to put together a pretty substantial portfolio which would take a while and result in a pretty horrendous job probably. so I'm looking at some additional formal education to secure that sweet sweet 2013 honda accord and a brand-spanking new condominium.
I want to do economics and I will have all the math and shit I need by the end of this year but I am worried that my gpa is too low. I was thinking about trying to get something published in a student journal to show I'm somewhat for real and not a loser but I dont know if admissions committees care. I'd like some tips... if thats okay. sorry joey for being a piece of shit on your forum.
i have a history degree and i'm making $1,000 a week. 
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shennong posted:FrancoNero posted:shennong posted:are you aware of any other independent d&g writer specialists
what do you mean? I know a few people who's work involves D&G who aren't university lecturers if that's what you mean.
i'm just curious what the market is like for someone with a PhD in d&g who doesn't want to be tied to a specific institution, like what do those people do exactly
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shennong posted:i'm just curious what the market is like for someone with a PhD in d&g who doesn't want to be tied to a specific institution, like what do those people do exactly
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