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same except the taliban regime
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i guess providing an alternative model for superimperialism is good enough to lick russian boots, its me, i'm the lazy unprincipled american communist
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stalin was the last caliph
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gyrofry posted:

stalin was the last caliph



thats not even funny

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The answer as far as I can see is seizing the state in the interest of the people. The TCC exists, and is highly mobile, but still depends on the acquiescence of 370 million Americans to sustain itself. We can see that it is building foundations elsewhere, and time is running out to grab it by the roots and strangle it. We can hear in the rhetoric of the American institutionalized right+left a call for American labor to become more globally competitive. If things go as planned, do not doubt that sweatshops in "Free Trade Zones" will be opened on these shores in the next fifty years. The answer as I can figure is to seize the state, to refocus the Occupy+Anti-Globalization (whatever remains) movements' attention to the state. Any suggestions on how to approach this in a constructive manner?



the only tried-and-true practice of lifting a people out of poverty is through industrialization. getting chickens and school books by borrowing money does not contribute to these structural causes. I spit on microfinance and kiva and grameen and all those skeezy people who are just taking advantage of a really bad situation and turning a profit. microfinance is really profitable, by the way, and is really popular with entrepreneurs in the west nowadays who are gathering capital and sending emissaries abroad to sell it to people in SS africa or south asia. grassroots exploitation. it’s disgusting.



the marxist moral crusade sort of loses its force when you callously dismiss the exploitation, emprisonment, torture and murder of millions of people and the destruction of the environment

The State... The State...

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take him down a notch girl
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that's not at all controversial
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futurewidow posted:

take him down a notch girl



oh my god lol

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all i'm saying is that the soviet union was about as beneficial for the planet as the taliban or whatever is, it should be understood in terms of tactics and not a model. anything else is retarded anti-intellectual utopianism, whether for or against. Marx would lay the smack down on anyone who claims anything different
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I'm a, erm... Free Market Utopian Islamist *adjusts glasses*
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if anyone starts posting about how the russian and chinese revolutions PROVE that there is no other successful strategy for defeatign capitalism i'm going to shit in my hat
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neither of those revolutions defeated capitalism anyways lol
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babyfinland posted:

i guess providing an alternative model for superimperialism is good enough to lick russian boots, its me, i'm the lazy unprincipled american communist



the actual unprincipled communists jumped ship after its collapse a la hitchens

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discipline posted:

babyfinland posted:

all i'm saying is that the soviet union was about as beneficial for the planet as the taliban or whatever is, it should be understood in terms of tactics and not a model. anything else is retarded anti-intellectual utopianism, whether for or against. Marx would lay the smack down on anyone who claims anything different

how come, I don't get where you're coming from with this



like your posts that i quoted before, lazy criticism leads to bad politics

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babyfinland posted:

i guess providing an alternative model for superimperialism is good enough to lick russian boots, its me, i'm the lazy unprincipled american communist

the actual unprincipled communists jumped ship after its collapse a la hitchens



thanks for this dumb prissy contrarianism lessons i knew i could count on you

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babyfinland posted:

dumb prissy contrarianism



an ironic cat

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discipline posted:

babyfinland posted:

all i'm saying is that the soviet union was about as beneficial for the planet as the taliban or whatever is, it should be understood in terms of tactics and not a model. anything else is retarded anti-intellectual utopianism, whether for or against. Marx would lay the smack down on anyone who claims anything different

how come, I don't get where you're coming from with this



because it's such an easy trap to fall into to just view the soviet union as a Good Thing that Failed by Accident, it turns you into the liberal opposition, no matter how nominally radical your claims

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discipline posted:

babyfinland posted:

because it's such an easy trap to fall into to just view the soviet union as a Good Thing that Failed by Accident, it turns you into the liberal opposition, no matter how nominally radical your claims

haha I don't think it failed by accident. what's the trap!



the trap of being a shrill moralistic idiot rather than a serious critic

EDIT: its basically really sad utopian escapism and not (even) the "scientific socialism" of Marx that the russian revolution implemented, it's a step backwards from whatever gains the russian revolution did make towards a better modernity

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Nobody is as smart as me. Nobody is as correct as me. Don't ask me to explain why. As a neurotypical you are beneath consideration.
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Nobody is as smart as me. Nobody is as correct as me. Don't ask me to explain why. As a neurotypical you are beneath consideration.



can you just fuck off already, everyone hates you and your insecure little hatecrush on me is gross and pervy. youre dumb and you contribute nothing

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I see it was mostly net positive until the full scale nuclear war that will inevitably shroud the planet in death and destruction. I am not an expert on soviet history and don't want to come across like that (please educate me), I'm speaking more from a global historical perspective of what occurred in the global south between WWII and the end of the cold war



Not a single Soviet with any sort of official control - for what that's worth - over the release of nuclear weapons ever would have used them, there were a couple times when they couldn't be sure if NATO / US were launching on them and had evidence that NATO / US were launching on them, and still when faced with the prospect of using them hesitated and instead did nothing

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babyfinland posted:

the trap of being a shrill moralistic idiot rather than a serious critic



lol

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i get the feeling that the future will look more taliban-y than soviet-y for most people...
what learnings do u think we can take from the soviet experiment?
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I only just now noticed that this forum is Fully Justified. Nice.
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xipe posted:

i get the feeling that the future will look more taliban-y than soviet-y for most people...
what learnings do u think we can take from the soviet experiment?



getfiscal knows better than i do about this but theyre basically good and mostly successful experiments in planned economy

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aerdil posted:

babyfinland posted:

the trap of being a shrill moralistic idiot rather than a serious critic

lol



hint hint its you you inquisitor general midget motherfucker

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babyfinland posted:

Lessons posted:

Nobody is as smart as me. Nobody is as correct as me. Don't ask me to explain why. As a neurotypical you are beneath consideration.

can you just fuck off already, everyone hates you and your insecure little hatecrush on me is gross and pervy. youre dumb and you contribute nothing


i dislike your posts because 99% of them are complaints about other posters and their politics

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