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Poronto
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and this was in it

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Mike Nelson here.
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spartacists are so crazy that other trotskyists think they are crazy
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Mike Nelson here.
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also abolishing age of consent laws is a widely held position on the far left in britain.
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Poronto
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someone else bought it for me. "this is the kind of thing you're interested in, right?" i wasn't about to explain
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Mike Nelson here.
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i subscribe to two trot papers. they are terrible.
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Poronto
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i guess im glad i found the letter from the pedophile jonestown cult before they did
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Mike Nelson here.
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read this letter from the sparts to the weekly worker:

Bedroom guardians
The Weekly Worker’s publication of the Partisan Defence Committee’s letter defending Helen Goddard, the young teacher who was jailed for 15 months for having a consensual sexual relationship with a 15-year-old female pupil, drew a flurry of outrage from among your readership (September 3).

These ‘guardians of morality’ are enraged by the PDC’s simple assertion that Helen Goddard committed no crime and that this relationship should be no business of either the school or the state.

An article by Eddie Ford professes to agree with the PDC and Spartacist League’s call for abolishing reactionary age-of-consent laws, rightly saying that these laws “give the state powers to interfere in, and potentially criminalise, what should be purely personal and private matters” (‘Intrusive and authoritarian’, September 10). But Ford’s conclusion belies this, saying: “Communists propose that there be alternative legislation to cover sexual misconduct and abuse, based on both effective consent and the empowerment of youth”. In other words, there are some bedrooms in which the government does belong, if it deems that “sexual misconduct” has taken place.

This exposes the CPGB’s touching faith in the benign nature of the capitalist state, which you entrust to establish the principle of “effective consent” and to regulate the sexual activity of youth and children. Against such liberal illusions in the capitalist state, we oppose ‘age of consent’ and ‘statutory rape’ laws. For us, the guiding principle of effective consent means that, as long as the parties involved agreed to take part at the time, no-one, least of all the state, has the right to tell them they can’t do it.

And what about Roman Polanski? Like the rest of the reformist left, the Weekly Worker has maintained a studious silence about the renewal of the outrageous witch-hunt of this 76-year-old film director who was arrested in Switzerland and is threatened with extradition to the US for having consensual sex with a precocious 13-year-old some 32 years ago. Roman Polanski committed no crime! At the time of Polanski’s original persecution, we were virtually alone on the left in defending him.

As we noted in 1978, “What is genuinely ‘tawdry’ and sordid about the Polanski case is not the actual incident itself, but the vile official persecution and the hideous hypocrisy of it all. The national press has carefully ‘omitted’ the real facts of the case …

“The 13-year-old whom Polanski was accused of raping was described in the Los Angeles Times … as ‘an aspiring actress’, whose mother had known Polanski for over a year and given permission to photograph her daughter for the French edition of Vogue magazine. One of those photography sessions with the celebrated director turned into an evening of sipping champagne, nude bathing in a Jacuzzi whirlpool bath and consumption by the girl of part of a Quaalude (a fashionable sedative). Following this, there was sexual intercourse (translated in the press as ‘drugging and raping’).

“It came out in court, however, that the girl had been ‘experimenting’ with Quaaludes since the age of 10 or 11, and had a 17-year-old boyfriend with whom she had had prior sexual intercourse” (‘Stop vendetta against Roman Polanski! Free him now! No extradition!’ Workers Vanguard October 9 2009).

In today’s reactionary climate, liberals and reformists buy into the hysteria that wilfully conflates consensual sex between adults and young people with violent crimes such as rape and even murder. We Marxists oppose not only reactionary x‘age of consent’ and ‘statutory rape’ laws, but also other laws against ‘crimes without victims’, such as gambling, prostitution, drug abuse and pornography. Government out of the bedroom!

Julia Emery
Spartacist League
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getfiscal posted:
also abolishing age of consent laws is a widely held position on the far left in britain.



mccaine....

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Kurdt
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well it does seem true that capital and the imperial state has a strong interest in suppressing self-sufficient communes/collectives and hand-wringing about 'what they're doing to the children' is clearly not an unfamiliar pretext. perhaps we shouldn't judge these trots so harshly,
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drivel of drunken hags
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to be honest, im really not sure i know what a trot is
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Kurdt
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a trot is an Othered comrade
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Hell,
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Groulxsmith posted:
to be honest, im really not sure i know what a trot is



in your defense, neither do trots

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getfiscal posted:
And what about Roman Polanski? Like the rest of the reformist left, the Weekly Worker has maintained a studious silence about the renewal of the outrageous witch-hunt of this 76-year-old film director who was arrested in Switzerland and is threatened with extradition to the US for having consensual sex with a precocious 13-year-old some 32 years ago. Roman Polanski committed no crime!



jesus christ they may as well be a FBI false flag operation

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a precocious 13-year-old
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even most 18 year olds are complete idiots and shouldn't be having sex with anyone older
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Kurdt
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what is the lfest age of consent
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raise the age of consent to at least 25, imo.
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drivel of drunken hags
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perverts for the sake of perversion
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tardy on these heaters
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maybe communists should stop raging so hard from the seat of their ego and get real for a second, just a thought
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FLAWDA
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desire be, desire go
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aerdil posted:
a precocious 13-year-old



and "consensual". technically, legally, that means alcohol and quaaludes right??

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babyfinland posted:
maybe communists should stop raging so hard from the seat of their ego and get real for a second, just a thought



ya, argeed

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drivel of drunken hags
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tardy on these heaters
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Groulxsmith posted:



or just don't

i don't consent to fetish chat ever ever

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ahahha despite my immediate reaction, its hard to feel sorry for cbass because he's in a hell of his own making after all
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Groulxsmith posted:
to be honest, im really not sure i know what a trot is



leftists who aspire to do more than post on a webforum with membership in the double digits

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tardy on these heaters
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crustpunk_trotsky posted:

Groulxsmith posted:
to be honest, im really not sure i know what a trot is

leftists who aspire to do more than post on a webforum with membership in the double digits



actually it's the exact opposite lol

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tardy on these heaters
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we're all trots now, in the post show
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this was the paper i subscribed to on a lark and then they wouldnt leave me alone when i didnt renew. it was hilarious but the phonecalls like SO ARE YOU STILL READING THAT BOURGEOIS NEW LEFT REVIEW SHIT got old pretty fast
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well, are you?
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yep, NLR owns
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Kurdt
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agreed
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tardy on these heaters
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gyrofry posted:
agreed

#37
Nippon
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when trotsky fled to mexico did anybody ever tell him what his name meant in spanish
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Goethestein posted:
when trotsky fled to mexico did anybody ever tell him what his name meant in spanish



nothing?

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Nippon
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it clearly means "Diarrhea dude."
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Poronto
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goatstein are you talking about that incident in Cancun when you came down with amoebic dysentery and got summarily expelled from the clinic after pointing at your effluvia and screaming "Trotsky! Trotsky!"? i dont think you learned the right lesson there