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religious people are easily brought to your side. just tell them that the enemy people are filled with demons. just bursting at the seams with dark spirits. bam. done. the problem is that you want to "treat them as equals"
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ladies and gentlemen before i begin *pulls rope to Double Dare self in a broth of everything in the "weaknesses" category on the Supernatural fan wiki* as you can see i have no demons, unlike those guys
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and idk if it's just me but everytime I read one of your posts I get an indescribable feeling that your identity has been shaped through social awkwardness and rejection.
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pogfan1996 posted:

and idk if it's just me but everytime I read one of your posts I get an indescribable feeling that your identity has been shaped through social awkwardness and rejection.


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pogfan1996 posted:

and idk if it's just me but everytime I read one of your posts I get an indescribable feeling that your identity has been shaped through social awkwardness and rejection.




I'm not sure if this is in continued response to boourins or in response to the goat dropping the full r/atheist on us but I'm fine either way.

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le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

religious people are easily brought to your side. just tell them that the enemy people are filled with demons. just bursting at the seams with dark spirits. bam. done.



settle down, beavis

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that's not the full r/atheism. here's the full r/atheism: to understand why religious belief is usually tied with conservatism, consider the marvel comics univer-*yelling over chorus of boos*CONSIDER THE MARVEL COMICS UNIVERSE, and the fact that it follows that it is not reasonably possible to do anything but distrust a government that could be and has been filled with, or under the control of, not just demons, but dark wizards, aliens, evil time travelers, mind controllers, shapeshifters, nazi conspiracies, etc. when you introduce inherent evil with special power into the equation the only reasonable source is to limit any form of terrestrial power, minus that which performatively drapes itself in trappings proving it isn't corrupted by these influences
#168
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to be fair there are some religious people who don't believe in demons, which are a real thing whose factual existence is mentioned repeatedly in their religious texts, and often interacted with by the central figures. these people are Lifestylists
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oh right it's tax day... carry on
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pogfan1996 posted:

historically, organizing has been most successful when actions and strategy are based on analyzing and responding to material factors. communists have no problem utilizing religious rhetoric or concepts to support strategies based on material analysis. where you get hostility is that your arguments seem to present the idea christianity is the path to socialism rather than dialectical materialism, which is the core of marxist thought and practice. the idea that devotion to theological principles can effectively change class relations in society simply is ahistorical, class relations in society shape theological principles.

to answer your question: why shouldnt communists embrace christianity and reclaim it, it is because it is a shaky foundation for class struggle. omali utilizes faith effectively in the video, as a rhetorical tool for ideas grounded in marxism



when have I ever said dialectical materialism should be outright rejected?

however if you wanna play the ultra orthodox marxist game then i'll just sit back & meet you at the inevitable end point of full communism which should be here any time now i'm sure

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"full communism now" is an internet libsoc slogan and far away from "ultra orthodox marxism"
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it couldn't hurt you that much to read marx, is what i'm saying, if you're going to toss that around as a slur. i mean at worst you just put it down and move on to something that you're more interested in, you know??
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The_Boourns_Identity posted:

however if you wanna play the ultra orthodox marxist game then i'll just sit back & meet you at the inevitable end point of full communism which should be here any time now i'm sure


Marxism: trash, useless, will never spur revolution and building of socialism
Marxism with prayer: incredibly effective tool, harbinger of the end of capitalism

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The_Boourns_Identity posted:

pogfan1996 posted:

historically, organizing has been most successful when actions and strategy are based on analyzing and responding to material factors. communists have no problem utilizing religious rhetoric or concepts to support strategies based on material analysis. where you get hostility is that your arguments seem to present the idea christianity is the path to socialism rather than dialectical materialism, which is the core of marxist thought and practice. the idea that devotion to theological principles can effectively change class relations in society simply is ahistorical, class relations in society shape theological principles.

to answer your question: why shouldnt communists embrace christianity and reclaim it, it is because it is a shaky foundation for class struggle. omali utilizes faith effectively in the video, as a rhetorical tool for ideas grounded in marxism

when have I ever said dialectical materialism should be outright rejected?

however if you wanna play the ultra orthodox marxist game then i'll just sit back & meet you at the inevitable end point of full communism which should be here any time now i'm sure



many of your posts argue for a very front-and-center role of faith in socialist organizing when socialist organizing is based around class struggle and analysis of class forces. thats where you are getting pushback from leftists, where you are supplanting analysis of class struggle with theological rhetoric. this may not be a ideological error on your part, it may just be how you are expressing yourself, maybe review some of your old posts in this thread

https://www.rhizzone.net/forum/topic/13696/

The_Boourns_Identity posted:

one of the crucial aspects of 20th century totalitarian communism was rigid atheism. New Atheism one might say. It is time, I believe, for the Left today to see the radical emancipatory potential at the core of christianity, and harness the Power and Strength that lies in Christian ethics to soften hearts and change minds.



Drawing lines in the sand, and being stubborn, fighting with neighbors and friends will only make you an OutKast, and will only make the Left targets of further persecution. With every hateful act or aggressive action that the Left makes, the State is further justified in reacting by bolstering and strengthening a totalitarian response.



This is why I suggest that Christian Ethics and Communism must unite for the Left to be successful in the 21st Century.



this view that you have expressed runs contrary to a class-based analysis. the terror of the bourgeois state increases when class struggle intensifies, regardless of how peaceful the resistance is. thats why people mocked you in that thread, because you supplanted a class analysis with a theological one. if you want to argue for a fusion of christian ethics and socialism, demonstrate that you place class forces and class analysis before theological rhetoric.

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i dont like postjng abiut posting but I want to be on record by saying that every time I see a commie ned flanders post my right foot pumps an invisible brake and I think it's an empathetic response.
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your_not_aleksandr posted:

i dont like postjng abiut posting but I want to be on record by saying that every time I see a commie ned flanders post my right foot pumps an invisible brake and I think it's an empathetic response.



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pogfan1996 posted:

many of your posts argue for a very front-and-center role of faith in socialist organizing when socialist organizing is based around class struggle and analysis of class forces. thats where you are getting pushback from leftists



he's getting pushback because his posts are bad, which isn't a terminal condition. but there's maybe no real need to assemble those bad posts into an argument on your own time.

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colddays posted:

The_Boourns_Identity posted:

however if you wanna play the ultra orthodox marxist game then i'll just sit back & meet you at the inevitable end point of full communism which should be here any time now i'm sure

Marxism: trash, useless, will never spur revolution and building of socialism
Marxism with prayer: incredibly effective tool, harbinger of the end of capitalism



yeah it's science without faith vs science with faith
like richard dawkins vs albert einstein

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The_Boourns_Identity posted:

colddays posted:

The_Boourns_Identity posted:

however if you wanna play the ultra orthodox marxist game then i'll just sit back & meet you at the inevitable end point of full communism which should be here any time now i'm sure

Marxism: trash, useless, will never spur revolution and building of socialism
Marxism with prayer: incredibly effective tool, harbinger of the end of capitalism

yeah it's science without faith vs science with faith
like richard dawkins vs albert einstein



you know you messed up when goatstein did his misanthropic atheist shtick and it wasnt even the worst post on this page

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pogfan1996 posted:

The_Boourns_Identity posted:

colddays posted:

The_Boourns_Identity posted:

however if you wanna play the ultra orthodox marxist game then i'll just sit back & meet you at the inevitable end point of full communism which should be here any time now i'm sure

Marxism: trash, useless, will never spur revolution and building of socialism
Marxism with prayer: incredibly effective tool, harbinger of the end of capitalism

yeah it's science without faith vs science with faith
like richard dawkins vs albert einstein

you know you messed up when goatstein did his misanthropic atheist shtick and it wasnt even the worst post on this page


If there's anything the rhizzone succeeds at it's trail blazing new lows.

#181
"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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how do you people read religious people talk and not mock them
#182
"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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we're not entirely sure how proteins initally formed into a chemical analogous to ribonucleic acid, and as such, a guy rose from the dead in order to save us from the volcano dimension
#183
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le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

how do you people read religious people talk and not mock them



because all sides of that argument are usually boring

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The_Boourns_Identity posted:

yeah it's science without faith vs science with faith
like richard dawkins vs albert einstein



The Institute has completed its analysis and recommends IFAP with a writing assignment designed to improve this poster's grasp of the basics of Marx and the dialectical method.

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seconded
#186
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cars posted:

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

how do you people read religious people talk and not mock them

because all sides of that argument are usually boring



what if i'm gay

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i'm buju
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cars posted:

The Institute has completed its analysis and recommends IFAP with a writing assignment designed to improve this poster's grasp of the basics of Marx and the dialectical method.



btw i have a thesis ready for him concerning "Critique of Political Economy" and its explanation/use of dialectical method. But if the mod has an idea they can impose their will in the IFAP thread's OP.

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damn, every thread i open is the frikkin Boournstown Massacre
#190
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we're working on it.
#191
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i refuse to believe that boourns exists as a physical presence in the corporeal realm, theyr clearly a ghost who died from the effort of trying to fuse half baked zizekianism with twice baked christ worship, and now they haunt the internet, only able to post bout Boourn Identities New Synthesis

*ghostly whistling, faintly heard* g...et th...e...BIsics...get into booournessssss...
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cars posted:

The_Boourns_Identity posted:

yeah it's science without faith vs science with faith
like richard dawkins vs albert einstein

The Institute has completed its analysis and recommends IFAP with a writing assignment designed to improve this poster's grasp of the basics of Marx and the dialectical method.



make it happen

#193
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thinking about the RCP made me go check out their website and yep, theyre still repping that 90s era multi-level marketing aesthetic
#194
chickeon
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this is cutting edge aesthetics actually
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#196
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The idea to ban twitter from the forum has lead to multiple dedicated twitter threads.
#197
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Why is everything on twitter "just for us"?
#198
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when i first saw the cover of 'bob avakian live: get with it!' i thought it was a stand-up comedy special
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Keven posted:

The idea to ban twitter from the forum has lead to multiple dedicated twitter threads.


yeah but at least now it's relatively concentrated

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gay_swimmer posted:

when i first saw the cover of 'bob avakian live: get with it!' i thought it was a stand-up comedy special


hahhahahhaha