#1
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/poland-to-welcome-3-500-us-troops-in-nato-deployment-1.2934772

Warsaw will officially welcome the arrival of 3,500 US troops to Poland as part of a Nato military build-up on the bloc’s eastern wall, a move attacked as a provocation by Moscow.

On Saturday, Polish prime minister Beata Szydlo and defence minister Antoni Macierewicz will meet the troops, part of Nato’s Operation Atlantic Resolve, at their new base in the western Polish town of Zagan.

Nato leaders said the deployments, agreed at recent summits, are a response to the Russian stand-off with Ukraine and its annexation of Crimea.



https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-12/how-russia-decided-to-allow-a-little-domestic-violence

10,000 Russian women a year die as a result of domestic violence.



http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/12/politics/james-mattis-defense-confirmation/index.html

"I think right now the most important thing is that we recognize the reality of what we deal with (in) Mr. Putin," Mattis said. "We recognize that he is trying to break the North Atlantic alliance, and that we take the steps, the integrated steps, diplomatic, economic, military and the alliance steps, working with our allies to defend ourselves where we must."

He identified Russian aggression, terrorism and Chinese actions in the South China Sea as the biggest security issues since WWII.

"I think deterrence is critical right now, sir, absolutely, and that requires a strong military," Mattis said, arguing that the US military is not robust enough right now.

...

"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet," he would tell his Marines in Iraq, according to Thomas Ricks' book "Fiasco." He also drew criticism for saying in 2005, "It's fun to shoot some people."



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/kremlin-hopes-putin-trump-will-get-along-well/2017/01/12/2383cb64-d8bd-11e6-a0e6-d502d6751bc8_story.html?utm_term=.4d872fb34ab8

Lebedev said he hoped that Trump and Putin could find common ground on a variety of issues, including Syria. Trump has suggested that the U.S. and Russia pool their efforts in combating the Islamic State group in Syria.

“There is a chance for them to make a big deal,” Lebedev said.

He said Moscow and Washington could also team up to tackle money-laundering and other financial crimes.

Lebedev said Russia could be an efficient partner in the international fight against financial crimes, pointing at recent efforts by the Kremlin to crack down on official corruption.





your thoughts?

#2
why is the US so vehemently anti-russia lately? is it a power/resource-grubbing kinda imperialism thing, or just a we-need-an-enemy-to-focus-on thing, or..? i don't think i've ever seen this much anti-russia sentiment (LGBTQ issues aside) since the actual cold war. sorry if this Q seems really idiotic, i'm just scratching my head a lot lately

people talk about ~RUSSIA~ in terms and tones that suggest it's actual-hell

#3

toutvabien posted:

why is the US so vehemently anti-russia lately? is it a power/resource-grubbing kinda imperialism thing, or just a we-need-an-enemy-to-focus-on thing, or..? i don't think i've ever seen this much anti-russia sentiment (LGBTQ issues aside) since the actual cold war. sorry if this Q seems really idiotic, i'm just scratching my head a lot lately

people talk about ~RUSSIA~ in terms and tones that suggest it's actual-hell



it was her turn

#4
Much of it is perhaps intended to make rapproachement untenable for Trump.
#5
My first reaction is that, since Trump is being cast as a friend puppet pisspartner etc of Putin, all the Republicans in this nation have already realigned themselves as pro-Putin in a loyal show of tribalism, and it doesn't matter how much people shout about Russia because as long as those attacks are tied to Trump, these people won't care, and Trump will just get mad and double down. This makes military aggression not that likely. But then my second reaction is that if Trump gets mad one day at Putin and decides to be insane about it then suddenly he and all the Republican voters will be in harmony with the frothing-at-the-mouth humanitarian liberals and then we could be really in for it.
#6
The US has run out of poor nations to exploit for labor so they're going to create new ones by bombing the shit out of Eastern Europe and blaming Putin for it
#7

ilmdge posted:

Much of it is perhaps intended to make rapproachement untenable for Trump.


Like that's the motivation of the deep state, while the motivation of Dems is that they're weepy liberal losers eager to scapegoat a boogieman for their failure and tar Trump as illegitimate - not because of his racism or cabinet of bilionaires, but because of the noise coming out of the woke CIA deep state because they can't resist any opportunity to recast themselves as the true patriotic American far right party.

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#9
Fukkin sweet, cannot wait to die, but til then back to 90s classic xena: WARRIOR PRINCESS
#10

toutvabien posted:

why is the US so vehemently anti-russia lately? is it a power/resource-grubbing kinda imperialism thing, or just a we-need-an-enemy-to-focus-on thing, or..? i don't think i've ever seen this much anti-russia sentiment (LGBTQ issues aside) since the actual cold war. sorry if this Q seems really idiotic, i'm just scratching my head a lot lately



sour grapes over syria, maybe that's why it ramped up so fast recently

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#11
The US doesn't have an interest in going to war against Russia, but it does have an interest in creating a rift between Russia and Europe. The success of doing so is dubious considering the economic interest countries like Germany have in good relations, but the US will certainly try anyway. A united Europe is a threat to its superpower dominance, especially if those economic unions include China in trade deals, etc.
#12
when a bunch of european countries signed onto China's AIIB, Obama called an emergency national security meeting lol
#13

swampman posted:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/poland-to-welcome-3-500-us-troops-in-nato-deployment-1.2934772

Warsaw will officially welcome the arrival of 3,500 US troops to Poland as part of a Nato military build-up on the bloc’s eastern wall, a move attacked as a provocation by Russia



is that "a move attacked as a provocation by Russia" or "a move attacked as a provocation by Russia"?

#14

fape posted:

The US has run out of poor nations to exploit for labor so they're going to create new ones by bombing the shit out of Eastern Europe and blaming Putin for it

Maybe this is just the endgame of video game completionists: to see if the billionaires working together can successfully occupy every single foreign country at once, and whether that even puts a stop to random barbarian spawns

#15
todays fake news
#16

swampman posted:

your thoughts?



#17

toutvabien posted:

anti-russia sentiment (LGBTQ issues



when that came from democrat politicians, it was to prepare for this

#18

toutvabien posted:

why is the US so vehemently anti-russia lately? is it a power/resource-grubbing kinda imperialism thing, or just a we-need-an-enemy-to-focus-on thing, or..? i don't think i've ever seen this much anti-russia sentiment (LGBTQ issues aside) since the actual cold war. sorry if this Q seems really idiotic, i'm just scratching my head a lot lately

people talk about ~RUSSIA~ in terms and tones that suggest it's actual-hell

the US has been on a course since the fall of the USSR to expand NATO into the traditionally russian/soviet sphere of influence. the early years of this were coupled with the US-puppet yeltsin regime and encountered little serious opposition with a few outliers (e.g. yugoslavia). as explicit NATO expansion as well as proxy wars (e.g. syria) have pushed the boundaries right up to the russian border / continued to threaten every russian strategic ally, and as Russia post-yeltsin has gradually begun to assert more traditionally realpolitik-al national geostrategic interests, the conflict has become ever more difficult to conceal from the usually oblivious US public.

the victory of trump, achieved in part with at least some degree of russian propaganda influence, over the (current occupants of the) deep state's chosen figurehead clinton has also unleashed a massive and seemingly unprecendented series of spasms as the deep state makes its last ditch efforts to try and lock in a fait accompli of maintaining its preferred course to preserve and expand US geostrategic primacy before trump's ascenscion, at which point those bets are far less certain.

#19
i feel there has been a slow cooking of anti-russian sentiment among the "oblivious" for close to a decade though. and toutvabien put their finger on it, it's been over LGBT because that's a winning issue domestically for the democrats. if russia were less than ten years behind the u.s. in liberalizing those laws, it would probably be over marijuana.
#20
sure, that is the vehicle du jour, but it could literally be anything. it's a pretext, not a driver. like much effective propaganda, it has the appearance of being grounded in a moral claim

also, I would suggest that the kind of nationalist fervor we're witnessing will eventually (if it hasn't already) take on a life of its own as it did during the depths of the cold war, and hating russia will begin to simply be popularly regarded as good and right for its own sake. this will still be manipulated and leveraged for geostrategic objectives, but it will make it a lot easier when the need for pretexts to catalyze this begins to wither away.
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#22
there was also all that stuff about south ossetia back in 2008, which was my first memory of russia as 'the bad guys'.
#23
Don't worry, the troops are being amassed in Poland so they can train for Operation Sealion outside the scope of the British. We have no intention of invading Russia.
#24
i like it when glenn greenwald goes on TV, particularly the BBC, and says something like "we shouldn't preemptively believe intelligence agencies" and the host chimps out like he suggested we date rape the president
#25

Chthonic_Goat_666 posted:

there was also all that stuff about south ossetia back in 2008, which was my first memory of russia as 'the bad guys'.



that was when i noticed the U.S. press deciding russia was Bad Again whole hog, mostly through john mccain quoting parties. it was also the big tip-off that the Western press had finally completed its slow elimination of its foreign bureaus and would now be relying completely on the U.S. State Department and USAID-aligned NGOs for reporting on most events worldwide, because the news media would never pay for stringers or spend the money to place anyone in country again, no matter what happened.

#26

cars posted:

that was when i noticed the U.S. press deciding russia was Bad Again whole hog, mostly through john mccain quoting parties.

2008 is also really the blossoming of my political consciousness so there might have been a lot of other signs before then that i simply cant remember. itd be interesting to go back through the media and see how russia was being reported on from 2000-2008. 2008 was also when putin switched from president to PM for 4 years which media all thought was corrupt, medvedev is a putin puppet, and so on.

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#27
oh yeah the Litvinenko thing too in 2006

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#28
i feel u.. it was the year where i was very close to becoming a liberal and then proximity to russians in the middle of all that kind of tipped me back into political failsonism
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#30
I just went out for drinks with some left liberal friends of mine who told me that Putin is a Nazi and that's why he persecutes Jews and invaded the Crimea. Not a side of Putin I've seen explored on this bbs in the past. Anyone able to speak up through their shame?
#31

swampman posted:

I just went out for drinks with some left liberal friends of mine who told me that Putin is a Nazi and that's why he persecutes Jews and invaded the Crimea. Not a side of Putin I've seen explored on this bbs in the past. Anyone able to speak up through their shame?



it was me, im the left liberal friend of yours, who said the thing

#32
My left liberal friend sent me an essay in notorious CCF flagship "The Baffler" where the author alleges that Putin has been supporting right wing parties in EU countries. He doesn't say what kind of support he means and the link he provides is to an essay that doesn't even make that claim, let alone corroborate it. Anyway so the essay is garbage jingoist exhortation to support the Dems no matter what and find some reason to be really scared of Russia, but I'm wondering if that part is true. It'd make sense for Putin to do that since more nativist victories would weaken the EU and NATO. I know Le Pen was getting loans from a Russian bank (though that got cut off in December), don't know of anything else.
#33
"Trump's offer to Putin: an end to sanctions for nuclear arms cut - London Times"

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-arms-deal-idUSKBN14Z0YE
#34
i'm very concerned abotu my friends rhizzone. im concerned about things they say which are bad... please tell me the things are not true.. im very scared. thank you rhizzone, ill hang up and take my answer off the air.
#35
roseweird is my left liberal friend. coming this fall to FXX
#36

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

roseweird is my left liberal friend. coming this fall to FXX


Working Title: Rosenwald

#37
But are the things true? I already know my friends are bad but it does change the picture of the global situation if Russia has been active in trying to influence European elections. My understanding broadly has been that most of Russia's recent foreign activity has been reactive (Ukraine, Syria) so if whereas this would suggest a more aggressive posture. Since all I read is tankie propaganda maybe I missed something. That's why I'm wondering whether "support" means anything other than emotional support.
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#39
i think it was very nice of her to hastily add those question marks to her sign
#40
just asking questions