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mynissanisonfire posted:
A Maoist approach may have been more appropriate given Afghanistan's conditions, but the PDPA had to drag a feudalistic country into modernity (note: I don't mean "Western"). The land reform was a disaster but the Khalq backed-off that policy in mid-1979. If anything the Parchami failure is due to the fact that they made too many concessions.

Tell me, what have subsequent Afghan governments accomplished between 1992 and now?



everythign else the PDPA did was a failure too. they totally reversed all the progress the NRP had made. khan was making steady and sustainable progress towards modernization, the socialists ruined all of it.

obviously afghansitan has been in a terrible state since the saur revolution and its not like the NRP was very good either but one thing the tailban did manage to do was to eliminate the poppy industry

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mynissanisonfire posted:
A Maoist approach may have been more appropriate given Afghanistan's conditions, but the PDPA had to drag a feudalistic country into modernity (note: I don't mean "Western"). The land reform was a disaster but the Khalq backed-off that policy in mid-1979. If anything the Parchami failure is due to the fact that they made too many concessions.

Tell me, what have subsequent Afghan governments accomplished between 1992 and now?

everythign else the PDPA did was a failure too. they totally reversed all the progress the NRP had made. khan was making steady and sustainable progress towards modernization, the socialists ruined all of it.

obviously afghansitan has been in a terrible state since the saur revolution and its not like the NRP was very good either but one thing the tailban did manage to do was to eliminate the poppy industry



I disagree. Khan accomplished nothing, he did little aside from tread water and piss off the Soviet Union and the Afghan communists simultaneously.

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and yet that still stands as a great success in comparison to any other government since

who cares what "afghan communists" thought, they were a tiny clique of moscow-educated urban petit bourgeois
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i mean i dont know how its the fault of khan that he "pissed off" the soviets given than the soviet union didnt improve the russians' imperial/colonial policies towards central asia in place since catherine the great
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Expelling the Soviet military advisers was a bad move, as was building relations with Western-Friendly Arab regimes (and the Shah's Iran).

I think the Soviets were fearing a repeat of Egypt some 5 years earlier, and they sure as hell were not going to let a possible US-Friendly regime exist on their border.

The PDPA, while small, did comprise a very significant portion of the Afghan intelligentsia, and also controlled the military.

I'm not going to say that the PDPA were an "good" government (or very moral), but drastic measures needed to be undertaken, and they remain the only Afghan regime ever that was committed to modernization of the country and liberation of the populace.

Also how is poppy eradication good? Lots of Afghans depend on it for their livelihood.
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the path to hell is literally paved with the good intentions of retarded thugs directed by sociopathic nerds

khan was probably concerned about a coup, which is pretty legitimate given what happened soon afterwards!!! the soviets were crummy mummies

and i agree that the soviets were concerned abotu another sadat or barre. maybe theres a reason people kept tossing russian "advisors" out of their country hrm

youre right about the PDPA i was being facetious. the khalqis had some support from the rural populatio nas well but since they fucked up so tremendously they lost all of that didnt they.

i dont think its fair to say that the PDPA were any more commited to modernization than the NRP, and in any case they certainly weren't commited in a serious, practical and decent way so i dont see how that matters

i dont think i really have to explain why basing your economy on heroin is a bad idea do i. i dont think you can consistently defend the policies of the PDPA like the abolition of dowry and forced marriage (which i support) and then criticize the successful elimination of drugs and poppy production, that belies a significant partisan bias. the issue being one of principles regarding the method of reforming social custom. unless you have some nuanced position to take that somehow absolves the PDPA of its urban chauvinism but retains a (conservative) position of critique against undermining a severely perverse and socially destructive economy rather than taking measures to reform it

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mynissanisonfire posted:
I'm not going to say that the PDPA were an "good" government (or very moral), but drastic measures needed to be undertaken, and they remain the only Afghan regime ever that was committed to modernization of the country and liberation of the populace.



who let this dust smokin nigga in here

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well whoever loses this argument knows what they must do we play for keeps here in the rhizzone

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that was such a good movie
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babyfinland posted:
that was such a good movie



the dramatization of Patriotism was pretty damn sweet

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jools posted:
Boring Poster CRew... Mount up

join the knights who say neh joils



aight

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mynissanisonfire posted:
the PDPA had to drag a feudalistic country into modernity (note: I don't mean "Western")



yes you do

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shennong posted:

mynissanisonfire posted:
the PDPA had to drag a feudalistic country into modernity (note: I don't mean "Western")

yes you do



i don't

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also the ALO is not considered maoist by the other maoist party (communist party maoist of afghanistan or whatever). alo is considered comprador for some reason. just facts.
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mynissanisonfire posted:

shennong posted:

mynissanisonfire posted:
the PDPA had to drag a feudalistic country into modernity (note: I don't mean "Western")

yes you do

i don't



thats a cute conception of modernity you got there