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If so, what is your cue?

I get so upset reading the news sometimes that it's like, when do I harden the fuck up and go get serious about this shit? Where are the parties? Where are the groups I'm supposed to reinforce?
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parties are where the serious congregate and then inside parties there are various groups that pursue different sorts of political organizing and activism

e: thats not supposed to sound pithy. im not 100% i follow the OP but am framing my answer so as to respond to a couple different possible questions. perhaps you need to link up with people pursuing other tactics?

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If you're itching to get on the front line, why not check out your local antifa. Primarily anarchists, but the real smash the fash kind, not the shitty pseuds who spend all their time online talking shit about reds.

But it sounds to me from previous posts that you're already involved in good organising and material support for workers. What makes you think that's not serious?
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we have a tendency to downplay the day to day work inside parties. i think i remember lenin talking about it in something i read a long time ago. but without that work any sort of fightback is impossible, so we should take pride in it and constantly push for more.
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The technology and expertise of suppressing even the possibility of revolt have far surpassed the ability of atomized/infiltrated leftist groups to generate it. Without a destabilizing force American society cannot reform itself faster than the rate of old people dying off.

All we can do on an individual basis is ameliorate the effects of our anti-human economic system and wait. I think we are reaching a sort of crisis point where America will need to redefine itself and perhaps its national story, but I don't see how anybody can influence something so unpredictable. It's better to work against specific injustices whose solutions are possible and definite.
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camera_obscura posted:

The technology and expertise of suppressing even the possibility of revolt have far surpassed the ability of atomized/infiltrated leftist groups to generate it. Without a destabilizing force American society cannot reform itself faster than the rate of old people dying off.

All we can do on an individual basis is ameliorate the effects of our anti-human economic system and wait. I think we are reaching a sort of crisis point where America will need to redefine itself and perhaps its national story, but I don't see how anybody can influence something so unpredictable. It's better to work against specific injustices whose solutions are possible and definite.


Accelerationism with a human face

I mean there's nothing wrong with focussing on specific matters when the moment is ripe to agitate for change but what you are suggesting is completely discarding the notion of organising and communal action. Capitalism is bound to win if its opponents, in fear and despair, believe action is only possible on an individual basis.

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if you live in a part of america with a radical intellectual tradition of sufficient strength to facilitate your belonging to and acting within a party of any meaningful size, chances are you probably live in one of the several large cities in america in which capital is most highly concentrated and most invulnerable—where labor is most transient and vulnerable and distant from mechanisms of real power. the actual basis of american power is in its military class (not revolutionary), its skilled labor and energy extraction (unionized, too well compensated to have revolutionary thoughts, also alienated from revolutionary thoughts due to chattering of arrogant socialist middle class, unwilling to consider its true role in global labor markets and the material basis of its standard of living), and its agricultural output (highly mechanized; owned and administered by concentrations of capital on whose coordination of expertise current methods are dependent; labor-intensive agriculture involving potentially revolutionary groups is confined to profitable luxuries whose harvesting has not been automated, like fruits and vegetables, not infrastructure staples)—probably also on finance in some way that is beyond my idiot understanding. anyway that's how it looks from this college town of bernie lovers in the middle of fucking nowhere here. cheers



i'm down for all of this, though i wonder what room there is for the resurgent class of petite bourgeois artisans in this matrix. y'know, those folks who make the food, the beer, the liquor, the cocktails, or anything else that can be considered "craft" or "artisanal" by those who have the means to consume such products. i personally work and travel within these circles, and am continually frustrated by the extent to which we're perpetually held hostage by the vagaries of upper bourgeois lifestyle.

i'll be honest and say i'm skeptical from the start in attemping to radicalize such folks, given the historical propensity for them to slide into reactionary populism. but the fact remains -- more "craft" businesses spring up every day, leading to increasing precarity for all those involved. it can't last forever, and many folks i know are "feeling the bern". is it worth it to agitate within these circles and risk what little security i've made for myself? or should i write the lot of them off as an ignorant fifth column within the progressive left?

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The 'technology and expertise of oppression' has never affected anything for any of our forums posters if not as an assurance of continued welfare.
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roseweird posted:

its skilled labor and energy extraction (unionized, too well compensated to have revolutionary thoughts, also alienated from revolutionary thoughts due to chattering of arrogant socialist middle class, unwilling to consider its true role in global labor markets and the material basis of its standard of living),

im handing out copies of kruschev lied, settlers and state & revolution at work next week fyi so this should all change fairly quickly

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Petrol posted:

I mean there's nothing wrong with focussing on specific matters when the moment is ripe to agitate for change but what you are suggesting is completely discarding the notion of organising and communal action. Capitalism is bound to win if its opponents, in fear and despair, believe action is only possible on an individual basis.



Yes.

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Honestly if your politics are so disconnected from your daily routine that you need some cue to motivate you to take action and it's on the tv news (lmao) you should probably just kill yourself.
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How many posters here go to work everyday and are forced to eat shit from a capitalist boss and can't put two and two together that you don't need to organize some ethereal revolution to take action because you already have the ability and opportunity to resist in your workplace everyday.
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this thread is about waiting for the trigger words from the cia man on the tv right? i wait for it every day. i think he has been taken over by the lizards though. i watch him closely. i see the signs
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Zauberfart u may be interested in a couple of quotes of lenins used in super introductory leninism book foundations of leninism:

Stalin quoting Lenin in Foundantions of Leninism chapter 4 posted:

In the train of the capitalist exploiters follow the broad masses of the petty bourgeoisie, with regard to whom decades of historical experience of all countries testify that they vacillate and hesitate, one day marching behind the proletariat and the next day taking fright at the difficulties of the revolution; that they become panic-stricken at the first defeat or semi-defeat of the workers, grow nervous, rush about, snivel, and run from one camp into the other" (see Vol. XXIII, p. 355).




Stalin quoting Lenin in Foundantions of Leninism chapter 4 posted:

Wherein lies the strength of the overthrown bourgeoisie?

(...)

Thirdly, "in the force of habit, in the strength of small production. For, unfortunately, small production is still very, very widespread in the world, and small production engenders capitalism and the bourgeoisie continuously, daily, hourly, spontaneously, and on a mass scale"... for "the abolition of classes means only not only driving out the landlords and capitalists-that we accomplished with comparative ease-it also means abolishing the small commodity producers, and they cannot be drive out, or crushed; we must live in harmony with them, they can (and must) be remoulded and re-educated only by very prolonged, slow, cautious organizational work (see Vol. XXV, pp.173 and 189).

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Whenever I feel like "getting to work" I just post some random stuff attacking gun control as "liberal" while fantasizing about essentially the same things as the SA gun forum does except with a cop taking the place of the black burglar, then I feel I've done enough.
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some days I wake up before my alarm and spend a couple minutes waiting for its cue to go get to work
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i think the most important thing is to secure material and tactical support from one or more nation-states that are geostrategically opposed to the NATO bloc. leverage this to build a movement that will ultimately result in a "color revolution" in the heart of the metropole. all historically successful revolutionary movements, regardless of ideology, have relied heavily on the support of existing nation-states.
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roseweird your posting now is communist and doesn't consistently erase class. i'm impressed but what happened?
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drwhat posted:

this thread is about waiting for the trigger words from the cia man on the tv right? i wait for it every day. i think he has been taken over by the lizards though. i watch him closely. i see the signs


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it's the second commercial break, OP
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Alternate post: every time I watch the news I realize I should get to work in Budapest or Copenhagen like "why do i still live in this country"

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