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"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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sniped like the millions of deserting soviet soliders
#42
UNUSUALY COOL
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whataboutism, when you subtract 5 from both sides of an inequality and the left proves itself yet again unwilling to join in debate or even consider the possibility that 100 < -5
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"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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i'm going to work on a frontpaeg post about orthodoxy on the internet
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lol
#45
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i predict that goat will unironically complain about something being some variation on "too PC"
#46
"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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no not at all
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UNUSUALY COOL
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your last article was good and this mod administration endorses good at a 90% rate, with the remaining 10% comprising all my posts.
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hi
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littlegreenpills posted:

the very fact that khruschev says "you are lynching negroes" becomes a worse crime than actually lynching negroes

#49
Dont Mess With Sucess
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littlegreenpills posted:

nobody says "whataboutery" more than an anticommunist, basically they've made it so that the very act of critiquing a narrative by demonstrating it's being cynically put forward for propaganda purposes is on their list of logical fallacies now. they're so bankrupt they long since ditched the idea of hypocrisy being a bad thing. luckily there still aren't many regular folks who buy that. the very fact that khruschev says "you are lynching negroes" becomes a worse crime than actually lynching negroes

Yeah I missed this post cause it was at page bottom. Its very freakin correct

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hi
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always at least skim the whole page before going to the next page
#51
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listen up folks, you dont often get forum browsing tips from an aged wise man who has literally decades of experience absorbing threads and shootin' out posts
#52
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SA forums opened up to guests if you feel like you missed out on dumb nerds on D&D lying about their qualifications and then being smug about it. Obviously the content itself is infuriating but there's nothing that pisses me off more than people who talk about the 'academic consensus' and then being a 'historian' since these two statements are contradictory. There is literally no such thing as 'consensus' in history since history deals with primary sources, of course this was not the case in anti-communist history but this just means it was propaganda and not science. I knew the thread would eventually turn to North Korea when, funnily enough, the use of primary sources (instead of defectors and satellite images) has led to a near complete abandonment of anti-communist narratives, even among bourgeois academics. This is not particularly interesting since academia is stupid but let's be clear: you cannot publish anything in history today without reference to primary sources and analysis based on them. That person claiming to be a historian is a liar.

fake edit: Essence is immanent to appearance and it's interesting to think about what the idea of historical consensus tells us about the class content of bourgeois-intellectual knowledge production. 'Consensus' itself was an anti-communist reaction to the obvious correctness of Marxist historiography and a specific attempt to replace materialist history with propaganda during the Red Scare fascism of the 50s. It collapsed when the new left rose again to challenge its obvious racism, sexism, and anti-materialism:

http://tucnak.fsv.cuni.cz/~calda/Higham_Paradigms_ConsensusHistory.pdf

it barely even exists anymore in history, being replaced with the more subtle anti-communism of the Gettys and Fitzpatricks or the Charles Armstrongs and Adrei Lankkovs of the world (though it exists in every field such as the neo-Dunning school assholes like Walter Cisco and Clyde N. Wilson). but D&D is the perfect combination of people who know nothing, constitute their entire identity on knowing everything, have no discipline to learn anything, and all the while are constituted by their collapsing labor aristocratic white privilege.
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babyhueypnewton posted:

the perfect combination of people who know nothing, constitute their entire identity on knowing everything, have no discipline to learn anything, and all the while are constituted by their collapsing labor aristocratic white privilege.



C A T C H P H R A S E

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babyhueypnewton posted:

http://tucnak.fsv.cuni.cz/~calda/Higham_Paradigms_ConsensusHistory.pdf



pro click

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babyhueypnewton posted:

This is not particularly interesting since academia is stupid but let's be clear: you cannot publish anything in history today without reference to primary sources and analysis based on them. That person claiming to be a historian is a liar.



and don't forget this gem, in response to someone adopting a more moderate and sympathetic position on furr (appears p. 14-15):

The bias is inherent to the fact that, until the 90s, we only really had the historical sources from one side of the story. The problem with Furr is that, as far as I can tell based on what's been posted in this thread so far, his arguments are not based on new evidence, or even on new interpretations brought about by new evidence that are used to show old evidence in a different light. He's just plain misinterpreting old evidence because he doesn't have the domain knowledge necessary to set it in the proper context.

...

If Furr had brought up some newly discovered evidence, it might be worth taking a look at, but he's basically picking over the same evidence historians have known about for decades and coming to a wildly different conclusion through mostly conspiratorial logic...



like half of the fucking paper concerns stuff post-2010! it's even in the opening sentence!

worst part is that the dude this jackass was responding to promptly folded


babyhueypnewton posted:

D&D is the perfect combination of people who know nothing, constitute their entire identity on knowing everything, have no discipline to learn anything



debate & dunning-kruger effect

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babyhueypnewton posted:

http://tucnak.fsv.cuni.cz/~calda/Higham_Paradigms_ConsensusHistory.pdf



apparently Herb Aptheker also has a reply essay appearing in the same issue. anyone know of a place hosting it?

ed: or the essay to which they're responding?

Edited by Constantignoble ()

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Constantignoble posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:
worst part is that the dude this jackass was responding to promptly folded



that was me. i got out of the thread because my goal was just to get the debate onto actual legitimate grounds, questions of evidence and all that, which i am not really able to contribute to. i'm working on that, but at the time and also right now i don't have the free time to throw myself into the questions with the rigor that they deserve. i know that very few people in the thread were particularly troubled by questions of rigor, but all the same. i just wanted people to start making claims like he was making so that the comrades in the thread could assess them like you did in this post.

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chickeon
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babyhueypnewton posted:

SA forums opened up to guests if you feel like you missed out on dumb nerds


took about 5 seconds to remember why i left that deluded shithole for good

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Constantignoble posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

http://tucnak.fsv.cuni.cz/~calda/Higham_Paradigms_ConsensusHistory.pdf

apparently Herb Aptheker also has a reply essay appearing in the same issue. anyone know of a place hosting it?

ed: or the essay to which they're responding?


Weiner - Radical Historians and the Crisis in American History, 1959-1980
Aptheker - Welcoming Jonathan Wiener's Paper, with a Few Brief Dissents

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chickeon posted:

took about 5 seconds to remember why i left that deluded shithole for good


the cures meme

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glomper_stomper posted:

what the hell does a lack of self-awareness mean when applied to any head of state making a televised speech?


it means they forgot to break the fourth wall and totally, like, let you know you're not in squaresville

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lol i'm the president... how is this even a thing? adulting is hard
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Nicolas Maduro gives Kaufmanesque performance, wows idiot American audience with socialism. is he even kidding?