#41
"Amid the noise, do not forget: Panama's status as a tax haven for the rich was built on the ashes of Operation Just Cause of 1989."
#42
the major international banks and megacorps use Cayman shell corps these days so Panama is probably just a safe bet for a Limited Hangout for whatever reason. I wonder who was entrapped into opening an account there recently
#43
it may just be what it says it is though. just a bunch of documents from a company. most companies have terrible internal security, one semi-woke intern is all you need
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#45
separated from the dirty tricks that will follow all of this will come out in the wash, just the latest smoke screen for spooks that will dissipate & then they lay down another one. people are already too divided on the topic itself along global class lines if you believe in those & even among bourgeois voting blocs in the united states. people who vote for trump tend to like putin & they won't hate this.
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cars posted:

separated from the dirty tricks that will follow all of this will come out in the wash, just the latest smoke screen for spooks that will dissipate & then they lay down another one. people are already too divided on the topic itself along global class lines if you believe in those & even among bourgeois voting blocs in the united states. people who vote for trump tend to like putin & they won't hate this.


my fave reaction to this was in the comments on technocratic dark enlightment mecca slashdot, where outrage is reserved for factional disputes in free software projects

Tax havens exist for everybody.

Everyone can craft a limited liability company or incorporated in a tax haven. They are actually usually no "tax havens" but have simply retarded laws regarding "offshore companies". Try to live in such a tax haven and they tax you like any other country.

Most of the time it is easy from any country - where ever you live - and obviously even completely legal.

Everyone who is not doing it, has his own reasons, probably just o lazy to do the paper work or lack of trust in the the lawyers needed in the "destination country".



Anyway where is the Unaoil thread. You know, the actual massive news story that broke days before this panama bullshit http://www.theage.com.au/interactive/2016/the-bribe-factory/

#47
my butt smells
#48
Epic thissery.
#49
a ton of US names have been revealed. high profile politicians are conspicuous by their absence http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-05/here-are-some-americans-panama-papers
#50
fwiw I think it's a real leak but the fact the raw data is not publicly available and the SZ is sitting on it is sketch af
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littlegreenpills posted:

fwiw I think it's a real leak but the fact the raw data is not publicly available and the SZ is sitting on it is sketch af


i know the contemporary obsession with leaks qua leaks is basically assange's fault but the bar for what constitutes a 'real leak' has been curbstomped into the fucking gutter and personally i blame the suspiciously on-script libertarian edward snowden with his blather about 'responsible leaking' and leaving it to journalists to discern which data meet exacting neoliberal publication standards

#53
Having said that, finally something of some interest: CIA gunrunners! Including the ubiquitous Adnan Khashoggi, and another guy who was implicated in Iran-Contra and has been a loyal fundraiser for the Clintons. It's very droll as well
https://www.occrp.org/en/panamapapers/spies-and-shadowy-allies/

Even wannabe spooks can be found.

“’I’ll suggest a name like “World Insurance Services Limited” or maybe “Universal Exports” after the company used in the early James Bond stories but I don’t know if we’d get away with that!” wrote one financier to Mossack Fonseca in 2010 on behalf of a client creating a front company in the British Virgin Islands (BVI). Universal Exports was a fictional company used by the British Secret Service in Ian Fleming’s James Bond novels.

The files further show that Mossack Fonseca also incorporated companies named Goldfinger, SkyFall, GoldenEye, Moonraker, Spectre and Blofeld after James Bond movie titles and villains and was asked to do the same for Octopussy. There is correspondence from a man named Austin Powers, apparently his real name and not the movie character, and Jack Bauer, whom a Mossack Fonseca employee entered into the firm’s database as a client and not the television character after the employee “met him at a pub.”

But Mossack Fonseca’s connection to espionage is more often fact, not fiction.


Still firmly in the realm of the limited hangout because it's more of that "check out all these known bad dudes we found in the files" stuff with little new information. Still, if table scraps is all that's on offer, might as well take it

#54
I definitely see the suspicion angle Petrol but I also think a truly ethical journalist may be concerned with blowback and innocents being caught in the crossfire in regards to releasing all information at once.
#55

dipshit420 posted:

I definitely see the suspicion angle Petrol but I also think a truly ethical journalist may be concerned with blowback and innocents being caught in the crossfire in regards to releasing all information at once.


ethics in leaks journalism~

here's a mindblowing proposition: being a customer of the firm in question is prima facie evidence of being, at best, a tax dodging scumfuck; furthermore, Release the files.

#56
if we never look for the evidence, nobody will have to respond to its existence

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#57
while Greenwald and Omidyar have been hoarding them and profiteering off them to an unethical degree, dumping every single one of the Snowden docs at once would invade the privacy of people the NSA spied upon.

this case is quite different since a bunch of people applying for the services of a shady legal firm in Panama aren't really worth crying over and are probably wealthy enough to handle any social backlash anyways.
#58

HenryKrinkle posted:

while Greenwald and Omidyar have been hoarding them and profiteering off them to an unethical degree, dumping every single one of the Snowden docs at once would invade the privacy of people the NSA spied upon.

this case is quite different since a bunch of people applying for the services of a shady legal firm in Panama aren't really worth crying over and are probably wealthy enough to handle any social backlash anyways.


Absolutely.

Reminder for those of us who dont suffer the specific mental illness(es) required to keep count, ~6300 pages from the snowden leak have been published out of ~250,000. Going by the material released, safe to say many if not most of those pages comprise printouts from the internal NSA wiki, so its hard to say how much useful material is there, but its reasonable to assume the released material represents less than 10% of the total, and what has been released has mostly been redacted in line with state agency requests which have nothing to do with protecting individuals. Just Saying.

#59

Petrol posted:

littlegreenpills posted:

fwiw I think it's a real leak but the fact the raw data is not publicly available and the SZ is sitting on it is sketch af

i know the contemporary obsession with leaks qua leaks is basically assange's fault but the bar for what constitutes a 'real leak' has been curbstomped into the fucking gutter and personally i blame the suspiciously on-script libertarian edward snowden with his blather about 'responsible leaking' and leaving it to journalists to discern which data meet exacting neoliberal publication standards



i also find it suspicious that a compsci white dude dude who leaked a bunch of stuff over constitutional concerns is consistently libertarian

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le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

Petrol posted:

the suspiciously on-script libertarian edward snowden

i also find it suspicious that a compsci white dude dude who leaked a bunch of stuff over constitutional concerns is consistently libertarian


he consistently expounds a very specific politics more successfully than you would expect at first glance, briefly concerned that a trilby has fucked a piece of undercooked toast

#62
lol Poroshenko was registering shell corps with his genuine address on them in 2014. But ofc we'll only hear about the evil Chinese, or whatever
http://www.liberationnews.org/ukranian-president-proshenko-exposed-in-panama-papers/
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/04/panama-papers-ukraine-petro-poroshenko-secret-offshore-firm-russia
#63
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-says-the-panama-papers-leak-is-part-of-western-efforts-to-weaken-russia-a6972761.html

clearly david cameron and hillary clinton's campaign chief inserted themselves into the leak to make the attack on putin more believable
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#66
offshore tax shelter countries are just popular with different demographics, there are trendy ones and non-trendy ones. panama's just safer to leak than other ones
#67

Panopticon posted:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-says-the-panama-papers-leak-is-part-of-western-efforts-to-weaken-russia-a6972761.htmlclearly david cameron and hillary clinton's campaign chief inserted themselves into the leak to make the attack on putin more believable


totally acceptable collateral damage. there will be no consequences for clinton, and even if the current pressure on cameron forces him to resign, it gives the tories a much needed chance to reset and do their best to stave off the threat of corbyn (which, so we're clear, is a temporary threat to tory power, not a genuine threat to the neoliberal order)

#68
David Cameron sodomized a pig's head and didn't have to resign.
#69
Of course he didn't have to resign. That was basically one of the qualifications that got him the job
#70
Meanwhile I get fired from trader Joes for doing the same thing!! No war but class war.
#71
" In an exclusive interview Tuesday from Munich, Birkenfeld said he doesn't think the source of the 11 million documents stolen from a Panamanian law firm should automatically be considered a whistleblower like himself. Instead, he said, the hacking of the Panama City-based firm, called Mossack Fonseca, could have been done by a U.S. intelligence agency.
"The CIA I'm sure is behind this, in my opinion," Birkenfeld said."

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/12/swiss-banker-whistleblower-cia-behind-panama-papers.html
#72
The best way to discourage or neutralize whistleblowers is to seize them in two ways. Either way discloses their identity, making the story more about the leaker themselves rather than the information they reveal. But, one way is to put them in prison forever, like Chelsea Manning. The other way is to make mad profit and clicks off whatever it is they are releasing, and release everything in a manner that is most profitable, which necessarily includes redacting material that actually challenges the hellscape these brave souls expose. Then, you just end up feeding billions of people the narrative that they live in a giant oppressive spy machine hellscape and they are unable to do anything about it but submit and obey.
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#74
Churl Burbles: I'm Glad United States Will Fuck My Bottom
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RadioPalladio
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Strange piece from Freedland? His point being that the very nasty, bent copper occasionally extracts money from an actual bad guy. All else is forgiven.

What could be his motivation for this article?

Anyway, I look forward to his next columns; "Al Capone tipped generously" and "Adolf was nice to dogs".
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#76
The database has apparently been opened for public searches. Kind of misleading because it's just a database of entity names with certain metadata attached (if the name you search for is listed, it will show any links to other entities in the database, etc). Impossible to know what's included and what's been left out, and of course the actual source documents are not available. Anyway, could still be a useful research tool.
https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/
#77

MarianneSadd posted:

The best way to discourage or neutralize whistleblowers is to seize them in two ways. Either way discloses their identity, making the story more about the leaker themselves rather than the information they reveal. But, one way is to put them in prison forever, like Chelsea Manning. The other way is to make mad profit and clicks off whatever it is they are releasing, and release everything in a manner that is most profitable, which necessarily includes redacting material that actually challenges the hellscape these brave souls expose. Then, you just end up feeding billions of people the narrative that they live in a giant oppressive spy machine hellscape and they are unable to do anything about it but submit and obey.




uh everyone does live in a giant oppressive spy machine but that doesn't follow that all they can do is submit and obey

#78
i'm really opposed to the giant spy machine. also, stop deliberately maximizing accurate coverage of it because that just scares people into compliance. in order to optimally oppose the giant spy machine, people should be vaguely aware of it but not aware of the details of its functions, nor afraid. i really think i am making a legitimate point and am not merely a paranoid contrarian jumping through the air and using a sickhouse John Woo gunkata to shoot myself in both feet simultaneously
#79

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

MarianneSadd posted:

the narrative that they live in a giant oppressive spy machine hellscape and they are unable to do anything about it but submit and obey.

uh everyone does live in a giant oppressive spy machine but that doesn't follow that all they can do is submit and obey


the narrative, mate. she's saying thats the narrative. and she's right

#80
petrol im sure you seen this but anyhow:

http://www.afr.com/news/politics/malcolm-turnbull-named-in-panama-papers-20160511-gosvit