cars posted:separated from the dirty tricks that will follow all of this will come out in the wash, just the latest smoke screen for spooks that will dissipate & then they lay down another one. people are already too divided on the topic itself along global class lines if you believe in those & even among bourgeois voting blocs in the united states. people who vote for trump tend to like putin & they won't hate this.
my fave reaction to this was in the comments on technocratic dark enlightment mecca slashdot, where outrage is reserved for factional disputes in free software projects
Tax havens exist for everybody.
Everyone can craft a limited liability company or incorporated in a tax haven. They are actually usually no "tax havens" but have simply retarded laws regarding "offshore companies". Try to live in such a tax haven and they tax you like any other country.
Most of the time it is easy from any country - where ever you live - and obviously even completely legal.
Everyone who is not doing it, has his own reasons, probably just o lazy to do the paper work or lack of trust in the the lawyers needed in the "destination country".
Anyway where is the Unaoil thread. You know, the actual massive news story that broke days before this panama bullshit http://www.theage.com.au/interactive/2016/the-bribe-factory/
littlegreenpills posted:fwiw I think it's a real leak but the fact the raw data is not publicly available and the SZ is sitting on it is sketch af
i know the contemporary obsession with leaks qua leaks is basically assange's fault but the bar for what constitutes a 'real leak' has been curbstomped into the fucking gutter and personally i blame the suspiciously on-script libertarian edward snowden with his blather about 'responsible leaking' and leaving it to journalists to discern which data meet exacting neoliberal publication standards
https://www.occrp.org/en/panamapapers/spies-and-shadowy-allies/
Even wannabe spooks can be found.
“’I’ll suggest a name like “World Insurance Services Limited” or maybe “Universal Exports” after the company used in the early James Bond stories but I don’t know if we’d get away with that!” wrote one financier to Mossack Fonseca in 2010 on behalf of a client creating a front company in the British Virgin Islands (BVI). Universal Exports was a fictional company used by the British Secret Service in Ian Fleming’s James Bond novels.
The files further show that Mossack Fonseca also incorporated companies named Goldfinger, SkyFall, GoldenEye, Moonraker, Spectre and Blofeld after James Bond movie titles and villains and was asked to do the same for Octopussy. There is correspondence from a man named Austin Powers, apparently his real name and not the movie character, and Jack Bauer, whom a Mossack Fonseca employee entered into the firm’s database as a client and not the television character after the employee “met him at a pub.”
But Mossack Fonseca’s connection to espionage is more often fact, not fiction.
Still firmly in the realm of the limited hangout because it's more of that "check out all these known bad dudes we found in the files" stuff with little new information. Still, if table scraps is all that's on offer, might as well take it
dipshit420 posted:I definitely see the suspicion angle Petrol but I also think a truly ethical journalist may be concerned with blowback and innocents being caught in the crossfire in regards to releasing all information at once.
ethics in leaks journalism~
here's a mindblowing proposition: being a customer of the firm in question is prima facie evidence of being, at best, a tax dodging scumfuck; furthermore, Release the files.
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this case is quite different since a bunch of people applying for the services of a shady legal firm in Panama aren't really worth crying over and are probably wealthy enough to handle any social backlash anyways.
HenryKrinkle posted:while Greenwald and Omidyar have been hoarding them and profiteering off them to an unethical degree, dumping every single one of the Snowden docs at once would invade the privacy of people the NSA spied upon.
this case is quite different since a bunch of people applying for the services of a shady legal firm in Panama aren't really worth crying over and are probably wealthy enough to handle any social backlash anyways.
Absolutely.
Reminder for those of us who dont suffer the specific mental illness(es) required to keep count, ~6300 pages from the snowden leak have been published out of ~250,000. Going by the material released, safe to say many if not most of those pages comprise printouts from the internal NSA wiki, so its hard to say how much useful material is there, but its reasonable to assume the released material represents less than 10% of the total, and what has been released has mostly been redacted in line with state agency requests which have nothing to do with protecting individuals. Just Saying.
Petrol posted:littlegreenpills posted:fwiw I think it's a real leak but the fact the raw data is not publicly available and the SZ is sitting on it is sketch af
i know the contemporary obsession with leaks qua leaks is basically assange's fault but the bar for what constitutes a 'real leak' has been curbstomped into the fucking gutter and personally i blame the suspiciously on-script libertarian edward snowden with his blather about 'responsible leaking' and leaving it to journalists to discern which data meet exacting neoliberal publication standards
i also find it suspicious that a compsci white dude dude who leaked a bunch of stuff over constitutional concerns is consistently libertarian
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:Petrol posted:the suspiciously on-script libertarian edward snowden
i also find it suspicious that a compsci white dude dude who leaked a bunch of stuff over constitutional concerns is consistently libertarian
he consistently expounds a very specific politics more successfully than you would expect at first glance, briefly concerned that a trilby has fucked a piece of undercooked toast
http://www.liberationnews.org/ukranian-president-proshenko-exposed-in-panama-papers/
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/04/panama-papers-ukraine-petro-poroshenko-secret-offshore-firm-russia
clearly david cameron and hillary clinton's campaign chief inserted themselves into the leak to make the attack on putin more believable
Panopticon posted:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-says-the-panama-papers-leak-is-part-of-western-efforts-to-weaken-russia-a6972761.htmlclearly david cameron and hillary clinton's campaign chief inserted themselves into the leak to make the attack on putin more believable
totally acceptable collateral damage. there will be no consequences for clinton, and even if the current pressure on cameron forces him to resign, it gives the tories a much needed chance to reset and do their best to stave off the threat of corbyn (which, so we're clear, is a temporary threat to tory power, not a genuine threat to the neoliberal order)
"The CIA I'm sure is behind this, in my opinion," Birkenfeld said."
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/12/swiss-banker-whistleblower-cia-behind-panama-papers.html
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Strange piece from Freedland? His point being that the very nasty, bent copper occasionally extracts money from an actual bad guy. All else is forgiven.
What could be his motivation for this article?
Anyway, I look forward to his next columns; "Al Capone tipped generously" and "Adolf was nice to dogs".
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MarianneSadd posted:The best way to discourage or neutralize whistleblowers is to seize them in two ways. Either way discloses their identity, making the story more about the leaker themselves rather than the information they reveal. But, one way is to put them in prison forever, like Chelsea Manning. The other way is to make mad profit and clicks off whatever it is they are releasing, and release everything in a manner that is most profitable, which necessarily includes redacting material that actually challenges the hellscape these brave souls expose. Then, you just end up feeding billions of people the narrative that they live in a giant oppressive spy machine hellscape and they are unable to do anything about it but submit and obey.
uh everyone does live in a giant oppressive spy machine but that doesn't follow that all they can do is submit and obey
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:MarianneSadd posted:the narrative that they live in a giant oppressive spy machine hellscape and they are unable to do anything about it but submit and obey.
uh everyone does live in a giant oppressive spy machine but that doesn't follow that all they can do is submit and obey
the narrative, mate. she's saying thats the narrative. and she's right
http://www.afr.com/news/politics/malcolm-turnbull-named-in-panama-papers-20160511-gosvit