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I know some of you are accelerationists or ironic accelerationists or something but from an environmental and climate change perspective its p dumb sorry if this offends ya!

I mean climate change and environmental degredation and destruction are accelerationism in action, things are going down the shitter worldwide at an accelerating rate. It seems pointless to be an accelerationist when the whole earth life support system is accelerating us out the fukin window. I havent exactly seen much evidence that this is bringing glorious proletariat revolution about, more like causing rapidly increasing rates of suffering in the global south while the 1st world continues to continue on its anti-life crusade in the name of blood $$$ for the capitalist skull throne. It seems completly fucked up to think that we should be encouraging the coming super-famines and multi-million person migrations of the future as well as the extinction of a huge percentage of species, loss of bioabundance, productive farmland, all thr fish etc because that brings revolution "closer". welp, i think its dumb but am open to being pursuaded otherwise *ramps up the aircon in winter to prepare for all the sick burns coming my way and also to bring the end of our dumbo species closer*
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I am by no means an expert but i agree with you completely.

Capitalism will not destroy itself before it destroys the planet, or at least our ability to survive on it as we presently understand it. Solving the existential problems posed by global warming requires a command economy.

On the other hand, I used to use global warming as an offensive game mechanic in Civ 3. I could weather constant desertification way better than whatever shitty AIs I was fighting, so uh I guess a cack-headed first world political officer could draw the same Kissinger-esque conclusions about useless mouths and assume that a few hurricanes and higher sea levels are a small price to pay for complete ruination in the global south. I mean, that's assuming the person understands global warming and believes it to be damaging, but does not believe it poses a threat to the continued existence of our species.
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there's a difference between being an accelerationist and being a nihilist misanthrope who thinks human society is probably fucked and probably deserves it but who also happens to understand marxism. for one, the second one makes a lot more sense
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one of the things that i have always found interesting about this forum is that there seems to be a high percentage, maybe close to 100%, belief here in the possibility of catastrophic loss for contemporary humanity from a failure to overcome the limits of its environment. this is a belief i share but it's not exactly the status quo among communists throughout history. like, david harvey always takes a moment to sneer at the idea.
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Im not am accelerationist because i love all gods creation. God exists big time
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tbh i think a lot of it comes from the echoes of earlier communist cosplaying of the era when marx was alive, when the bourgeois scientific war over the history of life on earth was between gradualists and catastrophists, darwin being a gradualist who thought that his theory provided strong evidence that there had never been and would never be an event like the P-Tr or K-T extinctions, or the cambrian explosion for that matter. the explicit malthusian influence on marx connects to a lot of other areas in demography, economics, and natural history, which were of course a lot closer to each other and their earlier common roots than their descendants became, and at the time, gradualism was the new hotness while catastrophism was old and busted, despite there having been proponents of both for years (and despite both views as they were then constituted being just plain wrong according to later evidence). marx only mentions darwin once as far as i'm aware, in a footnote in capital, but it's an interesting footnote.
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Cars, thats because its the correct dialectical materialist analyisis and indication of what weve always known: communism or regression/extinction

Also fuck malthus and all the liberal neo-malthisians theyre all entitled liberal shits who blame the fouling of their own nests on the oppressed nations rather than their own sick consumtion. Malthus was a super racist who prayed for his theories to come true because he hated poor brown people and wanted them all dead.
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i'm talking about things like asteroids and changing the atmosphere of the planet and so on.
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bb bourgeoisie
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and hydraulic catastrophism, i assume
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tears posted:

Cars, thats because its the correct dialectical materialist analyisis and indication of what weve always known: communism or regression/extinction

Also fuck malthus and all the liberal neo-malthisians theyre all entitled liberal shits who blame the fouling of their own nests on the oppressed nations rather than their own sick consumtion. Malthus was a super racist who prayed for his theories to come true because he hated poor brown people and wanted them all dead.


Malthus was anti-slavery moron

Malthus gave his new appendix to William Wilberforce
to use in the debates in order “to rescue my character from the imputations of
being a friend of the slave trade” (Drescher 2002: 43)

http://digitalcommons.fairfield.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=sociologyandanthropology-facultypubs

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camera_obscura posted:

and hydraulic catastrophism, i assume



i told you then and i'll tell you now, it was all the liquor and also i was tired from the plane ride.

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swirlsofhistory posted:

tears posted:

Cars, thats because its the correct dialectical materialist analyisis and indication of what weve always known: communism or regression/extinction

Also fuck malthus and all the liberal neo-malthisians theyre all entitled liberal shits who blame the fouling of their own nests on the oppressed nations rather than their own sick consumtion. Malthus was a super racist who prayed for his theories to come true because he hated poor brown people and wanted them all dead.

Malthus was anti-slavery moron

Malthus gave his new appendix to William Wilberforce
to use in the debates in order “to rescue my character from the imputations of
being a friend of the slave trade” (Drescher 2002: 43)

http://digitalcommons.fairfield.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=sociologyandanthropology-facultypubs



Fear of a black slave planet

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i agree *glances wistfully at collection of books i dont read*
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tears posted:

Fear of a black slave planet


I didn't know we were talking about maoism

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Locke was the ultimate anti racist
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I am on way too much acid for this thread but at the same time exactly what is called for.
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imho so-called accelerationists don't go far enough. If they want to be taking seriously they should be agitating to simultaneously fire all nuclear warheads towards the sun and accelerate the death of the solarsystem.
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the reason people here are so obsessed with catastrophic climate change is that they're all extremely bitter weirdos. For us the threat of ecological collapse is a promise, the day where everyone will get what they deserve, the release of thousands of years of brutal bloody vicious tension. Think of every pre Marxist communist movement...the Levellers, the Anabaptists....all obsessed, through the lens of religious society, with the day of reckoning, annihilation of the old order...we are heirs of this tradition of Bitter Weirdos, champing at the bit to see the realisation of theory, the final nail on capitalism, a new age of revolution...
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thirdplace posted:

there's a difference between being an accelerationist and being a nihilist misanthrope who thinks human society is probably fucked and probably deserves it but who also happens to understand marxism.



dont doxx me

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"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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Gssh posted:

imho so-called accelerationists don't go far enough. If they want to be taking seriously they should be agitating to simultaneously fire all nuclear warheads towards the sun and accelerate the death of the solarsystem.



that would do nothing

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Then why NOT do it?
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Gibbonstrength posted:

the reason people here are so obsessed with catastrophic climate change is that they're all extremely bitter weirdos. For us the threat of ecological collapse is a promise, the day where everyone will get what they deserve, the release of thousands of years of brutal bloody vicious tension. Think of every pre Marxist communist movement...the Levellers, the Anabaptists....all obsessed, through the lens of religious society, with the day of reckoning, annihilation of the old order...we are heirs of this tradition of Bitter Weirdos, champing at the bit to see the realisation of theory, the final nail on capitalism, a new age of revolution...


and also it's a cultural thing, white ppl want to see the earth burn because they're evil but the more self-aware want it to happen in a way that doesn't implicate them even though they have to climb a huge pile of bones to even say those words

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is predicting necessarily wanting? myself, i liked the climate the way it was, I don't think anyone is "getting what they deserve" out of it, it's just a sad reality, and an even sadder reality that knowing it is happening isn't enough to even slow it down. The only sense in which I would like for collapse to happen, is in the sense that I think the longer we can stave off collapse, the worse it will be... but I don't see this as controllable any more either
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ilmdge posted:

Then why NOT do it?



it would be better to fire them at our major population centers and large forests

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nietzsche was right about the dangerous nihilism threatening to overtake "modern man" imo
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Gibbonstrength posted:

the reason people here are so obsessed with catastrophic climate change is that they're all extremely bitter weirdos. For us the threat of ecological collapse is a promise, the day where everyone will get what they deserve, the release of thousands of years of brutal bloody vicious tension. Think of every pre Marxist communist movement...the Levellers, the Anabaptists....all obsessed, through the lens of religious society, with the day of reckoning, annihilation of the old order...we are heirs of this tradition of Bitter Weirdos, champing at the bit to see the realisation of theory, the final nail on capitalism, a new age of revolution...



otoh carl sagan wrote a lot about it and he loved his life and smoked a ton of weed every day

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You think you can tell me what to do?

You think you can tell me what to wear?

You better get ready to bow to the master

Accelerate into something fool / I just got tired of doing what you told me to

Acceleration X

Break it down
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cars posted:

one of the things that i have always found interesting about this forum is that there seems to be a high percentage, maybe close to 100%, belief here in the possibility of catastrophic loss for contemporary humanity from a failure to overcome the limits of its environment. this is a belief i share but it's not exactly the status quo among communists throughout history. like, david harvey always takes a moment to sneer at the idea.



This isn't going to happen btw

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I mean we'll see an end of American dominance and shipping and manufacturing will look super different and we'll all have to move 100 miles inland but otherwise we're not going to all die (maybe they will in like India or similar where they can't mitigate but sucks to be them) and it's going to happen so gradually we won't even notice other than complaining about how we used to be able to get bananas in February or whatever.
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at worst billions of people are going to die, mostly from poor countries. pish tosh. pshaw. pfffffff
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Basically.
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pected this thread to be aboit space communism, very disapointed, thanks op ya idiot
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Rude!
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tpaine posted:

tears posted:

pected this thread to be aboit space communism, very disapointed, thanks op ya idiot

are you australian?



Then i really would be screwed by global warming!

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Keven posted:

This isn't going to happen btw



actually it will, eventually

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there is no real dispute that in the long run there is a 100% chance that humanity will be destroyed by a failure to overcome the limits of the environment,
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cars posted:

Keven posted:

This isn't going to happen btw

actually it will, eventually



I mean yeah but not within the context anyone on this web forum cares about.