"As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood.'"

http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/elec...-en-france.html

"What happened wasn't the madness of a man, it was the beginning of the green fascism in our country!"

"How many Mohammed Merahs come into France everyday in boats and planes full of immigrants?" "How many Mohammed Merahs among the children of non assimilated immigrants?"
(Merah was born in France by the way)

"I will put radical Islam on its knees!"

Some of her propositions:

"ban visible religious signs on public transportation,trains included"," preaching in mosques to be under surveillance at all time","proselytes of all kind to be monitored","the expulsion of immigrants who come back from suspect travels in Afghanistan or from other countries where terrorists are trained.For French nationals, an electronic bracelet will have to be worn permanently", "presumption of self defense for policemen."

The audience at the meeting shouted : "France is Christian!", "Sarko collaborationist!", "death penalty!", "guillotine!".
She also criticized the "islamo-leftism" and the "anti-French racism".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17499831

A brother of Islamist gunman Mohamed Merah has denied helping him mount his deadly attacks in Toulouse and Montauban, a French police source said.

Abdelkader Merah is being questioned at domestic intelligence agency (DCRI) headquarters in Paris, where he was brought along with his partner.

Mohamed Merah admitted killing seven people in execution-style gun attacks before his death in a police siege.

Abdelkader reportedly told police after the attacks he was "proud" of him.

Despite how many people seem to glibly dismiss the idea of a clash of civilization, I’m at a loss to explain how the future of Europe will possibly NOT include sectarian violence, largely involving the muslim community vs the white/secular majority. Does one have to be a racist right-winger to see that there are some serious compatibility problems going on here?

Even if European countries wind down their immigration, they’re left with minorities who are breeding a lot faster than them so the issue isn’t going to go away but is only to get more pronounced.

So, rhizzone: Any thoughts on when the pogroms will start? The mass killings? Is there a way for the old continent to avoid the foaming waters of the tiber because it seems to me like it’s only going to get worse.

animedad posted:
marxism-leninism

well let's not be ridiculous

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

babyfinland posted:
the muslims in europe are not significantly different in their values and support for things like secularism than non muslims

Hmm possibly, but there’s a lot of important differences in values. For example, muslims value having children, Europeans don’t.

Europeans value killing muslims, (non arab) muslims do not.

Over the last twenty years, we have given in to a subterranean, dangerous, and uncontrolled infiltration, which not only resists adjusting to our laws and customs but which will, as the years pass, attempt to impose its own.

In May 2003 the Movement Against Racism and for Friendship between Peoples (MRAP) announced they would sue Bardot for the comments. The "Ligue des droits de l'homme" (Human Rights League) announced they were considering similar legal proceedings.

In the book, she also made comparisons of her close gay friends to today's homosexuals, who "jiggle their bottoms, put their little fingers in the air and with their little castrato voices moan about what those ghastly heteros put them through" and that some contemporary homosexuals behave like "fairground freaks". In her own defence, Bardot wrote in a letter to a French gay magazine: "Apart from my husband—who maybe will cross over one day as well—I am entirely surrounded by homos. For years, they have been my support, my friends, my adopted children, my confidants." Bardot's book was also against "the mixing of genes"; made attacks on modern art, which Bardot equated with "shit"; drew similarities between French politicians and weather vanes; and compared her own beliefs with previous generations who had "given their lives to push out invaders".

On 10 June 2004, Bardot was again convicted by a French court for "inciting racial hatred" and fined €5,000, the fourth such conviction and fine from a French court. Bardot denied the racial hatred charge and apologized in court, saying: "I never knowingly wanted to hurt anybody. It is not in my character."

In 2008, Bardot was convicted of inciting racial/religious hatred in relation to a letter she wrote, a copy of which she sent to Nicolas Sarkozy when he was Interior Minister of France. The letter stated her objections to Muslims in France ritually slaughtering sheep by slitting their throats without anesthetizing them first but also said, in reference to Muslims, that she was "fed up with being under the thumb of this population which is destroying us, destroying our country and imposing its habits". The trial concluded on 3 June 2008, with a conviction and fine of €15,000, the largest of her fines to date. The prosecutor stated that she was tired of charging Bardot with offences related to racial hatred.

littlegreenpills posted:
that's the point, if you take a real look at what 20 something nisei Muslims are actually like as people it's complicated, they're not the same as their parents and they're not exactly the same as their peers, they certainly aren't pumping out babies at a rate of knots because they want to recapitulate life back in their ancestral countries, and why am I even dignifying your bullshit with a response you clearly know nothing and moreover don't care

I know it is complicated but look at things like Breivik and Merah, just look at the hate on both sides. It doesn’t take EVERYONE to start a race war or pogrom, just a few charismatic, fundamentalist and hateful people to get the masses on side. I think it’s naïve to expect that this won’t get worse in Europe, regardless of how much Mahmood in Brussels learns to enjoy waffles after playing futbal.

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
I’d be a bit more chillaxed about it if there was any historical evidence for a non-European minority in Europe that didn’t get persecuted, slaughtered or have genocide attempted on them….since like, the Golden Horde I guess

jews?

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
I’d be a bit more chillaxed about it if there was any historical evidence for a non-European minority in Europe that didn’t get persecuted, slaughtered or have genocide attempted on them

english ex-pats?

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
I know it is complicated but look at things like Breivik and Merah, just look at the hate on both sides. It doesn’t take EVERYONE to start a race war or pogrom, just a few charismatic, fundamentalist and hateful people to get the masses on side. I think it’s naïve to expect that this won’t get worse in Europe, regardless of how much Mahmood in Brussels learns to enjoy waffles after playing futbal.

they either become European or they don't, depending on how useful it is to the ruling classes to designate them as such. they become un-europeaned as and when it's useful. no group is safe. it isn't about assimilation or even about numbers, it's about how and when a scapegoating project can become useful to the ruling classes, about economics, stability and so forth. in Europe as it is in USA

littlegreenpills posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
I know it is complicated but look at things like Breivik and Merah, just look at the hate on both sides. It doesn’t take EVERYONE to start a race war or pogrom, just a few charismatic, fundamentalist and hateful people to get the masses on side. I think it’s naïve to expect that this won’t get worse in Europe, regardless of how much Mahmood in Brussels learns to enjoy waffles after playing futbal.

they either become European or they don't, depending on how useful it is to the ruling classes to designate them as such. they become un-europeaned as and when it's useful. no group is safe. it isn't about assimilation or even about numbers, it's about how and when a scapegoating project can become useful to the ruling classes, about economics, stability and so forth. in Europe as it is in USA

Yes but events like Utoya and Toulose are outside of the ruling classes control. You only need a few of those, escalating between rival extremists and you have an incipient race war going, which isn’t good for business and stability at all.

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

littlegreenpills posted:
who's taking bets for iwc's next I’m not too worried about muslims in America because America is a more tolerant and accepting place where they’re not as protective of their gayass cultural heritage of blood and soil and pungent cheeses and whatnot.

actually,

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

babyfinland posted:
lol if you think americans consider brown catholics to be "christians"

At least they share a faith and “family values” and such. What room is there for bonding between the deep religiosity and family cohesion of European muslims and their majority populations who just want to shop at ikea and take designer drugs at shitty rave parties all day.

the fact that mexicans and whites do share so much makes it even funnier that the one cant stand the other. its like american anti-mormonism, it's a total logical clusterfuck. mormons are the most purely american people on earth, they will be americans when everyone else has given up on it.

babyfinland posted:
lol if you think americans consider brown catholics to be "christians"

A Christian is someone who professes faith in the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.